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Horse Skill Change Coupons... What the hell Daum.


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Ive told you all so many times. Stop. Paying. Into. Gambling. Mechanics.

 

They are toxic and often the odds are low. Stop paying and they will change them. The old saying goes.... The casino always wins. So stop encouraging them.

 

 We need a new dye system too....

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dont even talk to me until you meet a wizard with charge, insta accel, side step , high jump, drift, sprint in a single horse 

 

ofc daum wont'do anything about it or even acknowledge it but in reality horse skill changers are p2w as hell

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No, it's our fault. It has been since the first time a game sold us a sparkly mount or costume, and we all bought it. Then they sold us a chance at a sparkly mount or costume, and we all bought that. Then they sold us a ticket to increase the odds on that chance, and we bought that too.

Listen, I'm not happy with the trajectory MMOs are on these days, how the publishers are getting more and more insidious and aggressive, customer support is nearly non-existent, and everything is designed around grabbing cash from people they consider suckers; it's hostile and predatory and awful.

That said, if you continue to pump money into the cash shop, they will continue to raise the stakes on the same tactics that compelled you to do it. Every time you buy that coupon, every time you don't get the skill you want and then buy another and another and another, you make it worse. You do this to yourself.

I don't say this to be rude. I sympathize with you. But the only vote you get is with your wallet, and you voted "Yes!" to this kind of transaction. What do you think is going to influence them more: your angry forum post, or the money you spent?

What are you talking about? I just said it wasn't Daum's fault, you basically just disagreed and agreed with my post...

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What are you talking about? I just said it wasn't Daum's fault, you basically just disagreed and agreed with my post...

No I'm completely agreeing. As in, "no, you're right, it isn't Daum's fault". Sorry if the wording seemed odd.

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I feel this pain. Two-Seater is Raaaaaare. x-x Compared to you guys I was lucky at 23 rolls.

dont even talk to me until you meet a wizard with charge, insta accel, side step , high jump, drift, sprint in a single horse 

 

ofc daum wont'do anything about it or even acknowledge it but in reality horse skill changers are p2w as hell

I have the horse you hate, sir. ;D

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No doubt this item is p2w, even as its RNG.

If it wasn't that would be way worse and you would see hundreds of gandalfs riding horses spamming charge attack and what not.

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This sort of thing really shouldn't happen, it's a huge scam.

The only scam here is that daum included this cash shop p2w bullshit horse items. It should not even BE there because people like you would rather spend real moneyz than making it yourself.

You then go to heidel and "oh heeey look at mee, some luck huh? i've got the 2seater man! come check this out! Everyone!" Frikking CANCER of todays gaming industry.

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At least we have plenty else to look forward to (WoW Legion, ESO Dark Brotherhood, etc.) when the new shiny factor wears off.

Daum had a chance to make something great here, but instead it seems they opted to prove once again just how scummy and toxic the B2P, F2P model is. Everyone always cries for it and balks at the sub model, yet sub model games are the only ones that don't end up relying on scummy predatory market tactics.

When a company stops treating their customers like something to be psychologically manipulated into shelling out cash for advantage items, then they can stand on the merits of what they do right. When a company makes it possible to gain the items in the cash shop with a reasonable time investment, then they can avoid the "pay to win" moniker.

I really love the combat in this game, but I honestly don't even think that can save it once people realize all their is to look forward to is forced PVP and being bait for pay to win trolls.

Shame.

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At least we have plenty else to look forward to (WoW Legion, ESO Dark Brotherhood, etc.) when the new shiny factor wears off.

Daum had a chance to make something great here, but instead it seems they opted to prove once again just how scummy and toxic the B2P, F2P model is. Everyone always cries for it and balks at the sub model, yet sub model games are the only ones that don't end up relying on scummy predatory market tactics.

When a company stops treating their customers like something to be psychologically manipulated into shelling out cash for advantage items, then they can stand on the merits of what they do right. When a company makes it possible to gain the items in the cash shop with a reasonable time investment, then they can avoid the "pay to win" moniker.

I really love the combat in this game, but I honestly don't even think that can save it once people realize all their is to look forward to is forced PVP and being bait for pay to win trolls.

Shame.

Lol... legion. Please.

It'll be another wod. They stuck in demon hunter to bait the retarded 12 year olds back into the shitty game. After first month it'll be dead again.

"don't end up relying on scummy predatory market tactics"

You know how much blizzard paid to market WoD? then when we got it, it was literally a steaming pile of utter horse shit. I felt pretty cheated tbh when I realised they still haven't even updated druid models lol.... pathetic, don't even mention that sorry sack of shit game here. Go play WoW if this game is so bad, seriously.

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Lol... legion. Please.
It'll be another wod. They stuck in demon hunter to bait the retarded 12 year olds back into the shitty game. After first month it'll be dead again.

Say what you want about WoW, but at the end of the day, balance and a variety of content without pay to win and money extortion means a lot more to me than pretty graphics. So does actual content instead of leaning on "immersive gameplay" which basically means lazy publishers not creating actual content and forcing everyone into pay to win PVP to bait the cash shop trolls.

Scummy and gets boring fast. A game like that has no longevity.

At least the new WoW expansion makes gear meaningless for PVP. That will lead to balance, not pay to win grinds where there is no real challenge yet everyone is forced into participating.

EDIT: And I actually enjoyed WoD, for what it was. Doing old world raids solo for xmog gear was brilliant.

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Say what you want about WoW, but at the end of the day, balance and a variety of content without pay to win and money extortion means a lot more to me than pretty graphics. So does actual content instead of leaning on "immersive gameplay" which basically means lazy publishers not creating actual content and forcing everyone into pay to win PVP to bait the cash shop trolls.

Scummy and gets boring fast. A game like that has no longevity.

At least the new WoW expansion makes gear meaningless for PVP. That will lead to balance, not pay to win grinds where there is no real challenge yet everyone is forced into participating.

Balance and variety of content, not to be a nerd, but if you are not at least 2600+ in the arena I don't want to hear your "opinion" on balance.

Content, do you realise wod is the lowest content of all expansions? least instances for example....

And it only took them 10 years to remove gear..... 10 -----ing years homie (And they've only done it because sub loss has made them shit themselves). And guess what? the class balance is a CIRCUS in that game. Utter joke.

Go back to legion, it'll be dead in a few months. Because you know what blizzard do now? they pull content out of the expansion and stick it on their cash shop *Cough cough* zero unique mounts in WoD and then they break nearly all of the promises they made. People only go back to that game because of rose tinted nostalgia glasses.

You are deluded. But hey....Don't let the facts get in the way of a good anti bdo circle jerk. You keep on truckin.

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I don't think anyone's opinions about WoW or any other game changes the reality of what BDO is screwing up all on their own. I only mentioned WoW as one example of other titles on the near horizon for when pay to win and forced PVP burns out this game in a month.

They also have shown they can't get the hacking under control. So, not only is this a pay to win title where the best horse and best gear prevail, but it is a bot to win program where the best solo grind hacks net you the silver you need to buy that gear.

Daum screwed this up all on their own by opting for the gambling/P2W model after so many failures. Maybe market analysis shows in some bizarro universe that milking the short terms is better for profits than planning for the long haul.

I don't see how when loyalty is taken into consideration, all I know is how I personally feel about the present state of affairs.

EDIT: FWIW I have enjoyed BDO so far for what it does right. The minigames are a fun diversion and the world is beautifully designed, plus combat really is a lot of fun. I just know that there is basically nothing to look forward to but deleting my character once I hit 45, since I refuse to participate in forced PVP and that whole pay to win, bot to win, ego circle jerk of imbalance and epic fail.

No end-game and no balance in the forced PVP pseudo end-game = no longevity.

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I don't think anyone's opinions about WoW or any other game changes the reality of what BDO is screwing up all on their own. I only mentioned WoW as one example of other titles on the near horizon for when pay to win and forced PVP burns out this game in a month.

They also have shown they can't get the hacking under control. So, not only is this a pay to win title where the best horse and best gear prevail, but it is a bot to win program where the best solo grind hacks net you the silver you need to buy that gear.

Daum screwed this up all on their own by opting for the gambling/P2W model after so many failures. Maybe market analysis shows in some bizarro universe that milking the short terms is better for profits than planning for the long haul.

I don't see how when loyalty is taken into consideration, all I know is how I personally feel about the present state of affairs.

EDIT: FWIW I have enjoyed BDO so far for what it does right. The minigames are a fun diversion and the world is beautifully designed, plus combat really is a lot of fun. I just know that there is basically nothing to look forward to but deleting my character once I hit 45, since I refuse to participate in forced PVP and that whole pay to win, bot to win, ego circle jerk of imbalance and epic fail.

No end-game and no balance in the forced PVP pseudo end-game = no longevity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHeSHT2ZDnU

Here you go, from your holy grail game.

95% of people in that battleground are botting. 10 years and they still can't get botting under control?! OH THE SHOCK?!

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I don't want to talk about BDO vs. WoW anymore. It was one example and not related to the discussion.

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Guys this company is scamers don't trust them and do not expect any sort of help ever. And do not use cash shop its cancer.

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Ha! If you want to waste money and get absolutely nothing in return you can donate it to my paypal, I promise I'll put it to better use!

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Horse skill coupons are a scam, you literally have no idea what you are buying because the chance factor is unknown. The sneaky people involved in designing this system are not going to tell you if you have a less than 5% chance or even how much of an additional chance each "fail stack" generates.

They are selling you on hopes and dreams and it is clearly exploitation of people with physiological problems on the same level as addictive gamblers.

I am not going to put another penny into a game with core mechanics so broken as they are currently. I cite the following: http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/76441-why-oh-why-are-cooldown-timers-and-mana-client-sided-only-this-game-is-fundamentally-flawed/
Until critical issues are fixed this game has no future and we are throwing money away.

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Don't lose your house. Get help for your addiction. 

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Horse skill coupons are a scam, you literally have no idea what you are buying because the chance factor is unknown. The sneaky people involved in designing this system are not going to tell you if you have a less than 5% chance or even how much of an additional chance each "fail stack" generates.

They are selling you on hopes and dreams and it is clearly exploitation of people with physiological problems on the same level as addictive gamblers.

I am not going to put another penny into a game with core mechanics so broken as they are currently. I cite the following: http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/76441-why-oh-why-are-cooldown-timers-and-mana-client-sided-only-this-game-is-fundamentally-flawed/
Until critical issues are fixed this game has no future and we are throwing money away.

Agreed.

Every time I feel the urge to spend money I remind myself that there is no end game, and that the forced PVP pseudo end-game is purely pay to win, bot to win, and about who can buy the best gear and best horse and so there is no real balance or fair competition even if I did have any interest in that aspect of the game, which I don't.

It is a fun farming simulator with excellent combat until you reach 45. Sadly it will last about as long as it takes me to do that with each class.

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Horse skill coupons are a scam, you literally have no idea what you are buying because the chance factor is unknown. The sneaky people involved in designing this system are not going to tell you if you have a less than 5% chance or even how much of an additional chance each "fail stack" generates.

They are selling you on hopes and dreams and it is clearly exploitation of people with physiological problems on the same level as addictive gamblers.

I'm going to do the same and not spend a single penny from this point on, the cash shop is just predatory and should have changes made to it for it to be a respectable cash shop in a B2P game.

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They made it buy too play because of how many founders were sold this game is not b2p was never meant too be if it was the site would have warnings and restriction on who can buy the game cash shop would have prices 10 times lower then now. But no your in baned country and did not search all over the forum for ip bans? Tough luck no refunds should have looked harder for half a year old post as insulting too the baned countries as it can be. I seen many bad hosts but Daumn is number one by far cause its a scam company. Couple law suits should reach them next week i hope their happy ignoring lawyers messages :D and the cash shop i have no means too describe that peace of trash.

We will make this b2p so we could go without making p2w game launches cash shop p2w :D best tip get hotspot and play russian its p2w but alteas f2p and get patch for english :D

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the only time I'm ever going to use skill change coupons is to get rid of caution on an otherwise good horse

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the only time I'm ever going to use skill change coupons is to get rid of caution on an otherwise good horse

i just delete it with loyalty lol

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Bumping.

Bumping.

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whorst mechanic ever.. rly its not RNG its money graber.. RNG = RANDOM this is not RANDOM if some skills have lower chance to take.. sux l

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