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Black Desert Online is not anymore a sandbox game


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Hi everyone,

First of all I want to tell you that I do not make this topic to compromised the game because I love Black Desert Online and I have already pre-ordered the 50€ version, but to me it risks of not not walked a long way.

The game was announced as a mmo " sandbox " with an open world pvp but is it always the case for our EU/ NA version ?

To me BDO is not anymore a real "sandbox" game. It's an other important problem of the game.

To me BDO is not a real sansbox game because :

- It is not the players who manage the economy of the game (no trade/ only AH with fixed prices )

- it's not the players who manage the pvp system (karma)

There is no interest to create :

- trade guilds (because no trade between players) 

- mercenary guilds (because we can't give monney) ofc those guild can exist but they can't be Rewarded with monney.

- Guardian guilds : Guilds which protect the players of the PK (because we can't reward them with monney)

- Pk guilds (no loot on players or no loot on Cart, and AH is not local but general about is the city or we are so no risk with the transportation of goods with carts

 

Well i'm sorry to say that but in my opinion this game wont work for a long time, this is a great game but not a "sandbox" game.

It will works for 6 month, maybe more, times for all players to grind lvl 56 or more and after that, some players are going to realize that the game is without interest and this is not enough for them.

Ok there is pvp with pk/open pvp world / GvG/ Arena and few PvE content with boss and jobs and horses but it's not enough if the game do not respect the fact that it was announced as a sandbox game.

If the game wants to work on the long term he has to respect the codes of a sandbox game which is not the case at the moment.

Maybe i'm totaly wrong and this will be possible in the game on our EU/NA version, if so, please tell me.

PS : i love the game ;) and i just wanted to say that to well inform new players about the game.

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Lol, why ^^? I'm just asking a question to you ? What do you think ? Is the game still a sandbox or no ;) ?

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It's more sandbox than most of the other mmos out on the market.  It's not on the scale of EVE or anything, but its still far from a Theme Park mmo.

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It's more sandbox than most of the other mmos out on the market.  It's not on the scale of EVE or anything, but its still far from a Theme Park mmo.

Ok, thanks for your opinion. But do you think is it enough to work in a long way ?

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Lol, why ^^? I'm just asking a question to you ? What do you think ? Is the game still a sandbox or no ;) ?

Well for the marketplace, I played a MMO with a free market before. You had to deal with idiots undercutting you by big margins ruining your profits, so I don't mind this honestly.


And if you add a free market, most of the trading between NPC
s will be null. I love the idea of farming/crafting/fishing my way to profit instead of farming the bestestest item everyone wants and what everyone does.

No diversity you know. 


 

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being competetive
'm probably going to work my ass off to be known as one of the best in my class, true story, then people will start running away when I enter siege / GvG .
that's my only goal, be aware.

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free trade it is a problem when you have goldsellers, bots and such, would be nice tough to have players build their own shops in town and have people buy product from them.

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You answered your own question: It's a great game, but not a sandbox.

It's a sandbox in sense of exploration.

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No sandbox MMORPG is an actual sandbox like Minecraft.  There's a difference between the sandbox genre by itself and a sandbox MMORPG.  There's absolute freedom in the sandbox genre by itself; you can usually terraform the world and build it up to whatever you want and/or need whereas in the sandbox MMORPG you are enclosed into it's world/universe and must abide by the rules within the game.  Black Desert, Eve and ArcheAge achieve this in similar and different ways so they are true to their sandbox tag in that sense.  As long as there's more freedom than the traditional themepark, they are achieving the sandbox mmo genre tag.

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It's more sandbox than most of the other mmos out on the market.  It's not on the scale of EVE or anything, but its still far from a Theme Park mmo.

Pretty much this.  The elements you are asking for, are unrestricted griefing, and gold farmers.  In a world without exploiters it would be awesome to have what you described.  Mercenary guilds, free trade, bounty hunting. And I admit these things do work great in Eve Online.

However since some rotten apples would exploit all of these mechanics in BDO, they ruin it for everyone.

- unpunished PvP good idea  >  griefing and camping lower level players

- free open trade system good idea  >  gold farmers, auction house bots, people spamming www.bdogold.edu in chat

- bounty hunting good idea > PKers have friends or guildmates kill them to collect the bounty

All of these things would be really cool, except for the bad apples who ruin it for everyone.  So that's why we don't have them.

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First lemme say I have not played this game. I have however read and initially this game was to be sold as a "sand-box." More and more I am seeing the "sand-box" like qualities taken away to appeal to the PVE market. I feel like PVE'ers need to learn what it means to play a open-world "sand-box" game and Daum needs to figure out if that's truly the kind of game they want to release. A lot of sales for this game have gone through for a ideal that is now being changed and seemingly dictated by too many markets.

 

We do not need another WOW or the many clones that followed. If you're going to make a "sand-box" then keep it "sand-box!"

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being competetive
'm probably going to work my ass off to be known as one of the best in my class, true story, then people will start running away when I enter siege / GvG .
that's my only goal, be aware.

TERA screenshot.

 

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haha I seen you long ago in CS! Which server you on?

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Pretty much this.  The elements you are asking for, are unrestricted griefing, and gold farmers.  In a world without exploiters it would be awesome to have what you described.  Mercenary guilds, free trade, bounty hunting. And I admit these things do work great in Eve Online.

However since some rotten apples would exploit all of these mechanics in BDO, they ruin it for everyone.

- unpunished PvP good idea  >  griefing and camping lower level players

- free open trade system good idea  >  gold farmers, auction house bots, people spamming www.bdogold.edu in chat

- bounty hunting good idea > PKers have friends or guildmates kill them to collect the bounty

All of these things would be really cool, except for the bad apples who ruin it for everyone.  So that's why we don't have them.

Yep, i understand but we/Pearl Abyss could easily fix thoses problem with solutions.

Anyway we will see if the game will work in a long way and i hope so ^^.

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I was going to mention a few points, but everything's pretty much addressed already.

It's just not possible to have a true sandbox MMO without either rules or trolls. It's closer to a sandbox MMO than most other MMOs at least. If you want a true sandbox, go host a private server on any of the many DayZ clones out there, Minecraft alikes, etc and invite your friends for the multiplayer experience.

If you want a bunch of people on one server, aka MMO, we need rules unfortunately. Eve Online is quite merciless jsyk. People may praise its sandbox elements, but you can get exploited in tons of ways. If you like that, I suggest putting up with any of the mechanics you may not like (combat, etc) and play that over trying to turn this game into Eve.

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I never seen this game as a sandbox because

1 Character locked to a class
2 Most classes locked to a gender/race

What makes it sandbox like to me
1 no instances(minus player housing and 3v3 arena)
2 many life skills to level
3 more ways to make money than gathering crafting and dungeons
4 you can explore for days and not see all the game offers

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OP. A game does not disqualify itself from being a sandbox because its missing a couple elements you see in other sandbox games.

First.  Your definition of sandbox is a value judgment. There is no certified list in existence that says "a game must have W, X, Y, and Z elements, or it's not a sandbox."

Second. Sandbox is just a buzzword marketing teams attach to games that bear even the tinyest semblance of "open world." Get over it.

 

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haha I seen you long ago in CS! Which server you on?

mount tyrannas , I can't remember wich one before the merge tho

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I never seen this game as a sandbox because

1 Character locked to a class
2 Most classes locked to a gender/race

What makes it sandbox like to me
1 no instances(minus player housing and 3v3 arena)
2 many life skills to level
3 more ways to make money than gathering crafting and dungeons
4 you can explore for days and not see all the game offers

no instanced content.

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mount tyrannas , I can't remember wich one before the merge tho

I thought  I seen you on VOT I could be wrong before they gave server transfers and I move to MT.

MT isn't much of a pvp server as I thought it to be. I think people over hyped it cause a lot of people on mt can't pvp and it is p2w after all lol

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It's somewhat sandboxy. Let's see how the NA/EU Market views it after it's released here.

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Lol, why ^^? I'm just asking a question to you ? What do you think ? Is the game still a sandbox or no ;) ?

 

Definition -

What does Sandbox mean?

A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks. Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels, a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish. 

A sandbox game is also known as an open-world or free-roaming game.
Techopedia explains Sandbox

Gamers play sandbox games according to their preference. These games include structured elements – such as mini-games, tasks, submissions and storylines – that may be ignored by gamers. In fact, the sandbox game's nonlinear nature creates storyline challenges for game designers. For this reason, tasks and side missions usually follow a progression, where tasks are unlocked upon successful task completion.

Sandbox game types vary. Massive multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG) generally include a mixture of sandbox and progression gaming and heavily depend on emergent interactive user gameplay for retaining non-progression-focused gamers. Modern "beat 'em ups" and first-person shooters have delved more deeply into the sandbox realm with titles like the "Grand Theft Auto" series, "Red Dead Redemption," "Assassin’s Creed" and others, allowing gamers to run and gun wherever the mood takes them.

In spite of their name, various sandbox games continue to impose restrictions at some stages of the game environment. This can be due the game's design limitations, or can be short-run, in-game limitations, such as some locked areas in games that are unlocked once certain milestones are achieved.
 

Trade is restricted because of the sheer amount of difficulty in dealing with gold sellers. That in turn caused all the other restriction you listed up there.

Karma is typically handled on developer basis due to the sheer amount of abuse if players had full control.

 

I still think that game is a  sandbox MMO, but I don't think any  MMO game is a true "sandbox" in terms of the cookie cutter defintion.

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I thought  I seen you on VOT I could be wrong before they gave server transfers and I move to MT.

MT isn't much of a pvp server as I thought it to be. I think people over hyped it cause a lot of people on mt can't pvp and it is p2w after all lol

top 10-12guilds could pvp, if you could pvp you would get recruted into those. rest of the server not much. I agree

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