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Hi there!

A simple question: what's the difference between AP (attack points) and Attack vs race\all race ?!?!

Some weapons have +atk vs ALL races, so.... it should be like the general AP?!

Thank you.

 

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It's the same thing but one is hidden stat similar to acc and those weapons incrase your attacks damage against every race expect humans.

Edited by FilthyCasual

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SELETH
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) ) ) = 107.59430894309

YURIA
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 72 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 1 ) + 5 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 72 + 2 ) ) ) = 99.447619047619

LIVERTO
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 80 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 0 ) + 0 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 80 + 2 ) ) ) = 93.128205128205

 

If that was the formula. But, ye, I don't know, I'm stupid who use Vangertz on my Valkyrie, derp, derp.

Edited by Hrafna

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SELETH
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) ) ) = 107.59430894309

YURIA
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 72 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 1 ) + 5 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 72 + 2 ) ) ) = 99.447619047619

LIVERTO
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 80 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 0 ) + 0 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 80 + 2 ) ) ) = 93.128205128205

 

If that was the formula. But, ye, I don't know, I'm stupid who use Vangertz on my Valkyrie, derp, derp.

So according to this mathematical formula seleth does the most damage, but liverto is good cause of +3 crit

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So according to this mathematical formula seleth does the most damage, but liverto is good cause of +3 crit

According to that mathematical formula, yes.  Though feel free to point out what each number is derived from if you happen to know, and if you don't, then don't put any stock in the formula until you do.

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SELETH
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) ) ) = 107.59430894309

YURIA
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 72 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 1 ) + 5 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 72 + 2 ) ) ) = 99.447619047619

LIVERTO
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 80 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 0 ) + 0 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 80 + 2 ) ) ) = 93.128205128205

 

If that was the formula. But, ye, I don't know, I'm stupid who use Vangertz on my Valkyrie, derp, derp.

Seleth BiS weapon confirmed

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SELETH
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) ) ) = 107.59430894309

YURIA
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 72 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 1 ) + 5 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 72 + 2 ) ) ) = 99.447619047619

LIVERTO
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 80 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 0 ) + 0 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 80 + 2 ) ) ) = 93.128205128205

 

If that was the formula. But, ye, I don't know, I'm stupid who use Vangertz on my Valkyrie, derp, derp.

Where did you get these numbers? BTW when I paste those equations into Google I get 86.76, 77.92, 70.56.... so even if the formulas are right, those answers aren't.

Edited by Featherine

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Has anyone else done test on this?

My friend and I went to the arena and tested ap  vs human damage and found human damage less than half as effective as ap. It's possible there could be a difference per attack or something along those lines (bonus added per hit vs percentage as a whole). 

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Where did you get these numbers? BTW when I paste those equations into Google I get 86.76, 77.92, 70.56.... so even if the formulas are right, those answers aren't.

It's a basic AP/DP formula that I wrote two days ago (or yesterday?) and dabbled with more today after I read this topic. I wouldn't write it off as the actual formula for obvious reasons. 

You're right about the equation. Something is wrong there. I cut it in half like this when I wrote it to make it easier to read.

SoJ = ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 )

AP = ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) )
AD = ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) )
DP = ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) )

( ( ( AP * SoJ ) + ( AD * SoJ ) ) / DP )

If you try this you should get my results.

Note how I made Seleth's AD increase by 2 per enchantment, whereas I made Yuria's AD increase by 1. Kind of like how some earrings grant 1 AP per enchant and other earrings grant 2 AP per enchant, and ogre ring grants 5 per enchant. It just seemed more fitting for some reason given how low Seleth's AP is and how it starts with twice the AD as Yuria.

Feel free to mess around with the formulas yourselves, tweak it, test it, or don't. I'm using Yuria myself at the moment and haven't tried to get Liverto yet because I need earrings and rings ^_^ I wouldn't write Liverto off as bad considering how it has the same AP stats as Kzarka and Kzarka is considered the best weapon in the game as of now by pretty much everyone.

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It's a basic AP/DP formula that I wrote two days ago (or yesterday?) and dabbled with more today after I read this topic. I wouldn't write it off as the actual formula for obvious reasons. 

You're right about the equation. Something is wrong there. I cut it in half like this when I wrote it to make it easier to read.

SoJ = ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 )

AP = ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) )
AD = ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) )
DP = ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) )

( ( ( AP * SoJ ) + ( AD * SoJ ) ) / DP )

If you try this you should get my results.

Note how I made Seleth's AD increase by 2 per enchantment, whereas I made Yuria's AD increase by 1. Kind of like how some earrings grant 1 AP per enchant and other earrings grant 2 AP per enchant, and ogre ring grants 5 per enchant. It just seemed more fitting for some reason given how low Seleth's AP is and how it starts with twice the AD as Yuria.

Feel free to mess around with the formulas yourselves, tweak it, test it, or don't. I'm using Yuria myself at the moment and haven't tried to get Liverto yet because I need earrings and rings ^_^ I wouldn't write Liverto off as bad considering how it has the same AP stats as Kzarka and Kzarka is considered the best weapon in the game as of now by pretty much everyone.

You need a legend or something before you start using all these abbreviations/acronyms. Where on earth are all those numbers coming from in your formula? In other words... wtf am i looking at please.

 

Edited by Ginrei
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You need a legend or something before you start using all these abbreviations/acronyms. Where on earth are all those numbers coming from in your formula? In other words... wtf am i looking at please.

 

It's just another player made formula that they pulled out of their ass like all the other charts about failstacks people like to link. Can't wait for people to start linking this shit all over the place claiming this is how damage works.

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You need a legend or something before you start using all these abbreviations/acronyms. Where on earth are all those numbers coming from in your formula? In other words... wtf am i looking at please.

AD was just a faster way for me to say Additional Damage (to Humans). SoJ (Sword of Judgement) is just a Valkyrie skill that I chose to use. Attack / Defense is a basic combat formula that exist in all games, including this one. In other words, AP*Skill/PD. With additional damage (AP*Skill)+(AD*Skill)/PD, if that is how AD were to be calculated, and with Diminishing Returns, if you want to calculate the Diminishing Returns this way, and if Diminishing Returns exist, the formula can be (APrDP1*Skill)+(ADrDP1*Skill)/PDrAP2. You can remove the DR if you want because it really doesn't matter, but I chose to add it for fun.

Dont' sweat it. I've not once claimed that this formula is how it is. It took me a few minutes to write it and I haven't tested it (nor would I ever claim that unless I actually did it). And if anyone more proficient in math and RPG formulas have anything to add I'm more than willing to learn.

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SELETH
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 66 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 2 ) + 10 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 66 + 2 ) ) ) = 107.59430894309

YURIA
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 72 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 1 ) + 5 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 72 + 2 ) ) ) = 99.447619047619

LIVERTO
( ( ( ( 1 - ( 80 / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) + ( ( 1 - ( ( ( 15 * 0 ) + 0 ) / 180 + 1 ) ) * ( ( 65.1 * 4 ) + ( ( 97.65 * 2 ) * 2 ) ) + ( 300 * 0.1 ) ) ) / ( 1 - ( 180 / 80 + 2 ) ) ) = 93.128205128205

 

If that was the formula. But, ye, I don't know, I'm stupid who use Vangertz on my Valkyrie, derp, derp.

IF that was the formula? What the hell does that mean? Those numbers have literally zero relevance to the topic. It also goes against every test I've heard of and participated in that shows CLEARLY that +human damage has less than 50% effectiveness than AP.

Please elaborate on how you came up with this or where you copied this from.

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every test I've heard of

Does that make you feel like you have anything of value to contribute to this conversation?

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IF that was the formula? What the hell does that mean? Those numbers have literally zero relevance to the topic. It also goes against every test I've heard of and participated in that shows CLEARLY that +human damage has less than 50% effectiveness than AP.
Please elaborate on how you came up with this or where you copied this from.

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