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[Official] Edan Guild Tier Ranking System [5/19/16]

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There was a post recently that received a lot of criticism regarding guild rankings. The post didn't really elaborate the why or how it came to those conclusions and it was evident that it was more of a troll thread seeking to aggravate specific guilds. While I do feel we need a ranking system for guilds in this forum I think it needs more clarity, explanation, and fairness.

I will arrange the guilds into four tiers with Tier 1 being the highest. 

Each of the tiers will have specific required criteria. 

Tier 1: Guilds in this tier will receive the highest level of scrutiny and any semblance of even the slightest instability would disqualify a guild from being classified as Tier 1.

Tier 1 Criteria: A Tier 1 guild would be unable to be defeated by guilds of Tier 2 - 4 in a pitched battle. This means that in a fight against an enemy in which both forces met with a full roster on a designated battlefield a Tier 1 guild would be expected to wipe them over 90% of the time. The guild would also be expected to ultimately defeat any of its enemies in a prolonged war in which pitched battles continued to take place. Further, Tier 1 requires the guild to have staying power, strong leadership, and large turnout. They would also have the most stringent and arduous recruitment requirements coupled with a track record to prove all of the above. (videos, kill scores, reputation). A tier 1 guild is expected to have a channel of its own or many channels that it is capable of defending without question in one-to-one fights. Lastly, a Tier 1 guild is expected to only be able to be challenged by other Tier 1 guilds. In the future Siege capability will also be a factor in determining a guilds Tier.

Based on the above criteria the following guilds are considered Tier 1:

MangoBay [ Reason: MangoBay contains a strong roster of geared players that compensate for any lack of cohesion. Despite acquiring numerous guilds they have proven time and again that they are a powerhouse and few can contend with them on the field. It is because of their strong leadership, dedication, and gear scores that they retain the rank of Tier 1.]

Gravity [ Reason: Gravity has a strong roster of skilled and geared players. They maintain a very good public reputation and most guilds fear fighting them. They boast some of the highest requirements for membership and continually cull their members to keep and maintain one of the strongest rosters on Edan.] 

Gatekeeper [ Reason: Gatekeeper has very dedicated and strong leadership. They have stringent recruitment requirements that allow them to have a very strong roster with their focus being synergy, tactics, and strategy. Coupled with vast KR experience, unrivaled organization, and a strong tactical background Gatekeeper remains one of the most formidable guilds on Edan.]

Tier 2: Guilds in this tier have less scrutiny than a Tier 1 guild but should be able to best nearly 95% of other guilds.

Tier 2 Criteria: A Tier 2 guild would be unable to be defeated by guilds of Tier 3 - 4 in a pitched battle. This means that in a fight against an enemy in which both forces met with a full roster on a designated battlefield a Tier 2 guild would be expected to wipe all Tier 3 - 4 contenders over 90% of the time while only being matched by Tier 2 and above. They would not be expected to defeat a Tier 1 guild in a pitched battle but would still seem somewhat strong. A Tier 2 guild is expected to be capable of having a channel of its own that it can defend against most assailants. 

HOSTILE [ Reason: HOSTILE maintains highly geared players and has experience from other regions. This make them one of the better Tier 2 guilds on the server boasting a very large roster with high activity.]

WaifuHunta [ Reason: WaifuHunta contains very high level players. Mostly being the remnants of Risen's better players they are somewhat formidable.]

Tier 3: Guilds in this tier have less scrutiny than Tiers 1 and 2.

Tier 3 Criteria: A Tier 3 guild would be able to hold its own against all other Tier 3 guilds to an extent in a pitched battle. This means that in a fight against an enemy in which both forces met with a full roster on a designated battlefield a Tier 3 guild would be expected to hold its own against other guilds in this category and be able to best all Tier 4 contenders. They would not be expected to be able to fight a Tier 1 or Tier 2 guild in a pitched battle without the aid of allies or large amounts of allies to outnumber their opponent.  A Tier 3 guild is expected to be capable of having a channel of its own that it can defend against most assailants. This Tier will contain numerous "gaming communities" due in part to them having a mixture of casual, midcore, and hardcore players driving their rating down. A Tier 3 guild is also expected to have good leadership but some leadership failure is to be expected. A Tier 3 guild is rated as more of a "node wars" entity that would have trouble conquering a region without substantial aid from allies.

ThePRX [ Reason: ThePRX falls short of Tier 2 due to a high turnover rate of players as well as an impersonal relationship with its members. They have a large roster but lack synergy due to constant recruitment and loss of players. The leadership has had recent issues [loss of their leader after 16 years] and as a consequence has undergone significant and abrupt changes and forbid their members from withdrawing guild payments. They are not terrible in battle but rely on the aid of their secondary guild XRP to fight invaders. Against Tier 1 and Tier 2 opponents they have no choice but to call upon the aid of their allies: TIGaming, TLGaming, Support, SupportGaming, and others.]

Support [ Reason: Support would have ranked Tier 2 if it weren't for its recent loss of members and failure at the leadership level. Their players are skilled and are backed by *some* KR knowledge handed down by some of the officers. Due to the leadership issues they are enduring as well as the departure of well over 15 people and holding at a mere 67 members(at the time of writing) they have been weakened to the point of Tier 3. Like ThePRX they require allies to hold their channels against the Tier 1 and Tier 2 guilds.]

TIGaming [ Reason: TiGaming has very polite and cohesive leadership but like other community guilds has a mix of too many types of players bringing their rating down. Against Tier 1 and Tier 2 opponents they require the aid of TLGaming, Support, SupportGaming, ThePRX, and XRP.]

ManUp [ Reason: ManUp has endured the loss of numerous people in recent weeks but accumulated some members from the now defunct RedFace guild. In a pitched battle against Tier 1 opponents it has been made clear that they cannot hold the field but must call on the aid of allies. The toxic environment accepted by their leader and officers contributes to the lack of synergy and cohesion required for a higher tier rating.]

Eternidad [ Reason: While little is known about Eternidad they are a very persistent and reliable fighting force. They fall short against Tier 2 and Tier 1 opponents driving their rating down.]

Tier 4: Guilds in this Tier are considered relevant but would have trouble against anyone in higher Tiers.

Tier 4 Criteria: A Tier 4 guild is expected to do well against Tier 3 guilds and may even defeat them in certain circumstances. However, they will likely have issues with Tier 3 guilds in most cases. They should be able to hold their own against other Tier 4 contenders. Please keep in mind the requirements for Tier 4 and Tier 3 are nearly the same with the exception of a Tier 4 guild having severe issues with synergy and leadership. They are considered wildcards in that they may not have shown themselves enough in combat, are up-and-coming, or are simply too new to be more relevant. They are highly interchangeable with Tier 3 and may move up or down depending on later analysis.

XRP [ Reason: XRP is the extension of ThePRX main guild and suffer from similar issues. XRP is intended to bulk up ThePRX in a siege fight but would likely not benefit from siege revenue in the unlikely event that ThePRX attained a region. Since they are more of a "buffer state" if you will and are not autonomous but a guild utilized to meander the guild cap they receive the ranking of Tier 4.]

Lethality [ Reason: Lethality is a gaming community that caters to casual players. They do strive to be good but the vast variety of philosophy within their ranks and lack of a cohesive ideology (hardcore, midcore, casual) they fall narrowly short of Tier 3.]

Incognito [ Reason: Having suffered a massive departure of members has placed Incognito in the Tier 4 rating. ]

Marvel [ Reason: Marvel is close to moving up to Tier 3 but has issues with cohesion and synergy. ]

Defunct Guilds: Guilds in this category may still exist but have lost their core focus due to loss of leadership and members. 

Honor [ Reason: Lost significant amount of members and no longer considered relevant. ]

Risen [ Reason: Most members left for WaifuuHunta and is no longer considered relevant. ]

Havoc [ Reason: Most members left for Mangobay and is no longer considered relevant. ]

 

If your guild was not listed it could mean that there is not enough information to rate it or it would not meet the minimum Tier to be on this list (Tier 4).

 

This list is subject to change at any time.

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MangoBay should be T4...  just a bunch of scrubs, they are just a small meme guild.  I don't get why people keep placing them so high in the ranking...

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wish someone would do this for uno >.>

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Where the ----- is HULKAMANIA

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I love how people constantly try to rank the guilds themselves, like they're trying to please people or something. so dumb.

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I love how people constantly try to rank the guilds themselves, like they're trying to please people or something. so dumb.

The rankings are based upon months of data and review. 

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So much of this is still conjecture, but I do appreciate the sentiment of trying to keep things focused on an actual discussion, not trolling.

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You should state your relation to these guilds, how you know what you claim to know, and what guild you belong to. People need to know what viewpoint you're looking at these guilds from and how it could potentially affect your reasoning behind tier choices. Also I'd be interested in a 5th tier of all those guilds that are trying to move in the hardcore pvp/gvg scene, because there's a lot of them.

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You should state your relation to these guilds, how you know what you claim to know, and what guild you belong to. People need to know what viewpoint you're looking at these guilds from and how it could potentially affect your reasoning behind tier choices. Also I'd be interested in a 5th tier of all those guilds that are trying to move in the hardcore pvp/gvg scene, because there's a lot of them.

Look at his past posts, he is an avid Gatekeeper fanatic upset about the first Edan guild ranking post. This is an attempt to try and salvage his guild's reputation. Don't humor him anymore.

It's funny that he went through all this effort to try and redeem Gatekeeper's name while at the same time making extremely bias posts in favor of Gatekeeper.

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Look at his past posts, he is an avid Gatekeeper fanatic upset about the first Edan guild ranking post. This is an attempt to try and salvage his guild's reputation. Don't humor him anymore.

It's funny that he went through all this effort to try and redeem Gatekeeper's name while at the same time making extremely bias posts in favor of Gatekeeper.

Lacari, what you're doing isn't working. I appreciate your efforts, I really do, you went to great lengths to show your guild was relevant as it bled out members and withered away. I'm sure you'll get a few new recruits with your propaganda video but you can't hide the truth, friend. 

In the end you will continue to slip away into irrelevancy as you try desperately to maintain the same fan praise you had in TERA. 

But those days are long gone. =)

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OvO

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ESPN pOWER RANKINGS LETS GO

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The rankings are based upon months of data and review. 

i really doubt that, Leathilty really ?? LOL they had to bring 5 guilds to 1v5 us and still couldn't win. PRX ? LOL the only thing they bring is numbers and even then we still wipe them, Also t1 ? same thing as PRX they bring numbers nothing else and we wiped they floor with them and their sister guild. I do agree with the ranking gravity and mango have. Gatekeeper on the other hand not so sure about i honestly have not seen them fight a good guild in awhile i feel like people over hype them a bit, yes they do have some really strong players there but in GVG sense havent seen them do anything major due to their alliance with gravity. 

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^ 5 guilds at once and still couldn't win leathality isn't even close to relevant. I'd honestly think RDD probably should take leathality's spot on that ranking.

 

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Less is more, the fact you're writing half-assed opinion based reviews makes this even worse than the previous thread.

You're basically only speaking on hearsay and opinion without any facts or sources to your claims about the guilds you're reviewing, while at the same time stating it as fact.

First off who even are you? And why should your opinion matter to anybody reading this thread?

I understand your name is "Knowledge" but maybe you should also specify that your knowledge is limited, list isn't complete and you blatantly make it obvious that you aren't even in game enough to notice you're leaving out some guilds who can easily destroy a large number of those guilds.

Lastly, as a neutral outsider all this thread looks like is a reflection of the exact same thing you accused the original creator of this topic of, which is biased trolling, all this  makes it seem like is another dude felt some type of jealous way and wanted some of the spotlight as well.

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oh hi dank lol

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Less is more, the fact you're writing half-assed opinion based reviews makes this even worse than the previous thread.

You're basically only speaking on hearsay and opinion without any facts or sources to your claims about the guilds you're reviewing, while at the same time stating it as fact.

First off who even are you? And why should your opinion matter to anybody reading this thread?

I understand your name is "Knowledge" but maybe you should also specify that your knowledge is limited, list isn't complete and you blatantly make it obvious that you aren't even in game enough to notice you're leaving out some guilds who can easily destroy a large number of those guilds.

Lastly, as a neutral outsider all this thread looks like is a reflection of the exact same thing you accused the original creator of this topic of, which is biased trolling, all this  makes it seem like is another dude felt some type of jealous way and wanted some of the spotlight as well.

It's impossible to please everyone and I understand your frustration. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

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Lacari, what you're doing isn't working. I appreciate your efforts, I really do, you went to great lengths to show your guild was relevant as it bled out members and withered away. I'm sure you'll get a few new recruits with your propaganda video but you can't hide the truth, friend. 

In the end you will continue to slip away into irrelevancy as you try desperately to maintain the same fan praise you had in TERA. 

But those days are long gone. =)

Anddd this comment just confirms it, obvious hypocrite accusing the other dude of intentionally inciting other guilds. 

Close this shit thread down, judgment on non existant ranks should be done by an unbiased party, not by some dude who's only sucking up one specific group :/ not fair to the rest of us virgins who also want to get sucked up :(

oh hi dank lol

waddup son 

who are u doe

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Anddd this comment just confirms it, obvious hypocrite accusing the other dude of intentionally inciting other guilds. 

Close this shit thread down, judgment on non existant ranks should be done by an unbiased party, not by some dude who's only sucking up one specific group :/ not fair to the rest of us virgins who also want to get sucked up :(

It's tough being in a lower tier guild and I really do understand your frustration. 

Please be aware that I do appreciate any and all feedback you may provide. All formal complaints and constructive feedback will be reviewed in the order it is received.

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It's tough being in a lower tier guild and I really do understand your frustration. 

I'm a neutral outsider, nice try tho, friend. 

 

I feel like this thread is destroying our noble community, we never knew about forum STDs and terminal diseases before this thread. @Dim can you do something about this? I fear that this may bring about some toxicity in our friendly community. 

This sort of forum spam also triggers my compulsive disorder considering the fact there is already a thread on this, we don't need 2 of them. 

On behalf of all of Edan, I'm requesting we put an end to this toxicity @Dim and thread spam. 

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I'm a neutral outsider, nice try tho, friend. 

 

I feel like this thread is destroying our noble community, we never knew about forum STDs and terminal diseases before this thread. @Dim can you do something about this? I fear that this may bring about some toxicity in our friendly community. 

This sort of forum spam also triggers my compulsive disorder considering the fact there is already a thread on this, we don't need 2 of them. 

On behalf of all of Edan, I'm requesting we put an end to this toxicity @Dim and thread spam. 

Perhaps we could just merge these threads.

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It's tough being in a lower tier guild and I really do understand your frustration. 

Please be aware that I do appreciate any and all feedback you may provide. All formal complaints and constructive feedback will be reviewed in the order it is received.

i already had the feeling you haven't fought a lot of GVG's based on how you ranked these guilds.

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i already had the feeling you haven't fought a lot of GVG's based on how you ranked these guilds.

I have a feeling you don't have much knowledge about the guilds on Edan based on your responses.

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15v15 bo7 leggo

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I have a feeling you don't have much knowledge about the guilds on Edan based on your responses.

Lol says the guy who cant even accurately base guild strength.

^ that guy actually knows what hes talking about and his rankings are pretty accurate. go back to your life skills.

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hmmm this guy sounds very Bias. Sounds like he is a member of Gatekeeper.

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