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Black Desert Online Guide:

Herbal and Grain Juices Comparison

Maximizing Your Return on Health and Mana

By: Miekka

In this guide I will teach you how to make herbal and grain juices for Black Desert Online. Their light weight makes them more a effective alternative than HP Potions and Mana Potions. Some classes are not able to use the Mana Pots and having Herbal Juices is a must. I will also compare the ratio of weight to return.

Herbal Juices

Since mana potions only work for Witch, Wizards, Soceress, Ranger, Tamer, Herbal Juice is a must for other classes if you want to restore your MP/WP/SP. Below I compare the ratio of weight to restore, of the herbal juices and then the mana pots.

Ratio Comparison of Herbal Juices

Item

Wt

MP/WP/SP

Amount / Wt

Total MP/WP/SP Received

Herbal Juice

0.3

125

500 pots / 150 wt

62,500

Concentrated Herbal Juice

0.6

175

250 pots / 150 wt

43,750

Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice

1.0

250

150 pots / 150 wt

37,500

Refined Herbal Juice

1.75

325

85 pots / 148.75 wt

27,652

Ratio Comparison MP Potions

Item

Wt

MP

Amount / Wt

Total MP Received

MP Potion (Beginner)

0.25

50

600 pots / 150 wt

30,000

MP Potion (Small)

0.4

125

375 pots / 150 wt

46,875

MP Potion (Medium)

0.75

175

200 pots / 150 wt

35,000

MP Potion (Large)

1.25

250

120 pots / 150 wt

30,000

MP Potion (Extra Large)

2.5

375

60 pots / 150 wt

22,500

MP Potion (Jumbo)

4.0

500

37 pots / 148 wt

18,500

Comparing the above MP Potions to Herbal juices, you can see that the Herbal Juices are the most effective choice. Though many still use the MP Potion for the convenience of buying them from the vendors.

Recipes and Crafting: Herbal Juice

The base recipe calls for three Wild Herb items or 10 Weeds. Wild Herbs includes Sunrise Herbs, Dry Mane Grass, Silk Honey Grass, Fire Flake Flowers, and Silver Azaleas. These can be obtained from gathering, nodes or farming. The mineral water and salt are bought from vendors that sell cooking supplies.

After you have your mineral water and wild herb/weeds item hit “L” and select Simple Alchemy.

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Herbal Juice/Concentrated Herbal Juice

  • Base Recipe: [Herb Item (3) or Weeds (10)] + Mineral Water (1) = Makes Herbal Juice or occasionally Concentrated Herbal Juice

  • Convert:         Herbal Juice (3) = Concentrated Herbal Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Herbal Juice (30) + Salt (1) = Concentrated Herbal Juice (10)

Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice

  • Convert:                Concentrated Herbal Juice (3) =  Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Concentrated Herbal Juice (30) + Salt (1) = Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice (10)

Refined Herbal Juice

  • Convert:         Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice (3) =  Refined Herbal Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Highly Concentrated Herbal Juice (30) + Salt (1) = Refined Herbal Juice (10)

*** Mass production is more effective for time. Also higher quality ingredients give higher returns.

Grain Juices

Grain Juices are used to restore HP. They are similar to the herbal juices. They are more effective than the regular mana pots and health pots because they weigh less, thus you can carry more. They are made using Simple Cooking under the processing menu, accessed by pressing "L'. The grain juices have a 5 second cool down.

Recipes and Crafting: Grain Juice

The base recipe calls for three grain items. Grain items are: Corn, Wheat,  Barley, Potato, or Sweet Potato. These can be obtained from gathering, nodes or farming. The mineral water and sugar are bought from vendors that sell cooking supplies.

After you have your mineral water and grain item hit “L” and select simple cooking.

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Grain Juice/Concentrated Grain Juice

  • Base Recipe: Grain Item (3) + Mineral Water (1) = Makes Grain Juice or occasionally Concentrated Grain Juice

  • Convert:         Grain Juice (3) = Concentrated Grain Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Grain Juice (30) + Sugar (1) = Concentrated Grain Juice (10)

Highly Concentrated Grain Juice

  • Convert:                Concentrated Grain Juice (3) =  Highly Concentrated Grain Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Concentrated Grain Juice (30) + Sugar (1) = Highly Concentrated Grain Juice (10)

Refined Grain Juice

  • Convert:        Highly Concentrated Grain Juice (3) =  Refined Grain Juice (1)

  • Mass produce by:     Highly Concentrated Grain Juice (30) + Sugar (1) = Refined Grain Juice (10)

*** Mass production is more effective for time. Also higher quality ingredients give higher returns.

Comparison

Ratio Comparison Grain Juices

Item

Wt

HP

Amount / Wt

Total HP Received

Grain

0.3

75

500 pots / 150 wt

37,500

Concentrated Grain

0.6

125

350 pots / 150 wt

31,250

Highly Concentrated Grain Juice

1.0

200

150 pots / 150 wt

30,000

Refined Grain Juice

1.75

275

85 pots / 148.75 wt

23,375

 

Ratio Comparison HP Potions

Item

Wt

HP

Amount / Wt

Total HP Received

HP Potion (Beginner)

0.25

50

600 pots / 150 wt

30,000

HP Potion (Small)

0.4

75

375 pots / 150 wt

28,125

HP Potion (Medium)

0.75

125

200 pots / 150 wt

25,000

HP Potion (Large)

1.25

200

120 pots / 150 wt

24,000

HP Potion (Extra Large)

2.5

275

60 pots / 150 wt

16,500

HP Potion (Jumbo)

4.0

400

37 pots / 148 wt

14,800

Comparing the juices to the potion, the best to get is of course is the juices. If you ever find yourself being out-potted in a pvp skirmish, maybe they are using something that will give them more return for the weight that one can carry.

 

I would recommend carrying, the lowest level you can for spamming while grinding, thus maximizing the return on HP. But if you are going to be PvPing and want the largest gain of health or mp/wp/sp use the larger potions. Another way to set things up, is to keep some of the larger ones on you but spam the small ones while grinding, that way you can still have that extra boost if you get into a pvp skirmish while grinding.

It is up to you to determine whether the time investment is worth the return.

Update - No more energy cost!

As of June 1st, 2016:

Simple Cooking and Simple Alchemy will no longer consume energy even if it is shown in the recipe.

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/89579-patch-notes-june-1st/ 

 

This is great news. I would recommend taking some time each week and stockpile all the juices that you need. Since the energy cost has been removed this makes mass production so much easier. Also, I recommend always using the higher quality ingredients since they yield more each time.

 

 

 
Edited by Miekka
Update on June 1st, removed energy requirements
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Amazing guide, thank you!

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I wish your guide was awailable like two months ago, I didn't know about the mass production until I've looked at my processing window -.- RIP energy & time back then ^^
But yeah, very detailed - thanks for the effort posting it (:

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I would also like to add, if energy efficiency is an issue, you can increase the amount of juice made by replacing the 3 regular herbs or grains by 1 special version. Instead of 3 sunrise herbs for example, use 1 special sunrise herb. The difference is quite noticeable, for me at least I am able to get 48 herbal juice per batch instead of 12-14, and this is on a low processing lvl alt. The refining process however, is fixed, to my knowledge.

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this entire system needs to be revamped, increased the cooldown or something but making refined is a insane energy sink. I stick to concentrated merely because i dont want to spend 3 days to make 500 refined potions.

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Grain juice doesn't give the +45% heal when CCed, so refined grain juice actually heals less than large HP pot when your CCed (275 v 290)... due to the energy cost to make them, they're generally not worth if you pot during the times your CCed. Still better for if you get chunked out of a fight and have to pot back up before going back in, but IMO not worth the inventory slot, time & energy for that. Unfortunately, there's no choice for herbal juice since Koreans hate melee, so if your a warrior or zerker, you're going to be spending a Lotta time mixing fire flake flowers & water qq

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Damn :( are there no Wild Herbs near Altinova :/?

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I would also like to add, if energy efficiency is an issue, you can increase the amount of juice made by replacing the 3 regular herbs or grains by 1 special version. Instead of 3 sunrise herbs for example, use 1 special sunrise herb. The difference is quite noticeable, for me at least I am able to get 48 herbal juice per batch instead of 12-14, and this is on a low processing lvl alt. The refining process however, is fixed, to my knowledge.

I tried some regular wheat today since i've always seen them as a material substitution before but did lots of farming. Since I hadn't been growing special wheat recently, I was surprised how poor regular crops do here.

This doesn't seem to be the case for Processing (Flour Grinding), but I guess Simple Cooking/Alchemy has it's own hidden rules. Guess flour is the only benefit to using white grains.

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while the pots themselves are good, it's a huge waste of energy producing the "refined" versions.
to get 100 refined pots, you'll need (didn't count in extra procs, because random):

300highly concentrated
which is 3k concentrated
which is 30k juice.
so you need 300k raw mats (herbs or grains)

considerering that you can mass produce, the last step costs 100 energy alone, step before 1000 energy and from this point I don't see why I should be calculating anymore.

it's just a huge waste of energy with all those steps, plus it'll take forever.

if you could produce the final product directly, it would be way better.

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Thanks to the June 1st update, crafting the herbal and grain juices is so much more effective! Thanks Daum.

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Added your guide/site to my links collection here on the forums: BDO Bookmarks and Resources.

Thanks for sharing the info!

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