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WELL you know how in this guide i said spamming on reblath doesnt work for me, and this whole method being formed because the "spam method" did not work for me.  well guess what folks it works for me now, i really think its due to enhance from drops reducing the value of green gear making turn over success rate of this method to high to use, so i guess in theory you could replace the words "green gear" with "reblath gear".  this reblath method is now based on the items being so undervalued that the failstack chance is actually increased. cough cough mchands 170 stack fails pri attempt on a green accessory. this has been a theory of mine from close to the beginning

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit 09/1/2018

if you like conspiracy read this hahaha if not skip down a bit.

i did not fix grammer or proof read, because this is already basically a waste of time, i could delete the post but i want the record to show in histroy exactly what went down here :).

i apolagize for my conspiracy theories, but they are infact truth, and nothing they can do will hide the numbers. you can show me a 2 disquised as an 8 but if the 2 acts like an 8 for long enough the this new disquised two will just turn itno 2=(2x4). making it a two but having the values of an 8. almost like mustle memory for the perception of  value.

ok its official they broke this method by adding enhanced armor and weapons to drop/loot table.  what it did was devalue the internal number of an enhanced item, creating a higher turnover rate, these items are now considered common. when before they were only obtainable by throuhg the gate of blackstones. took me a few enhance sessions to pin pount exatly what was going on  but yep this is what happened RIP what i love most about this game.

after a little frustration of time after time, just proccing +13,14,15 under stacked basically, compared to my old chart i say to my self "lets do it how people use to do it the way i was never able to do it because i would always proc my armor sub 10 stacks"(this was the mainstream way people did it before losing tons and tons of blackstones int eh process), so i made 1st stack from accessory, 2nd stack from a pri accessory, then i spammed up to 12 stacks on a +13reblath, then tapped twice on a +14reblath, and voila i have 15 stack, i dont think the devs know how numbers work, there will allways be a back door to success, though what they will do is change that backdoor in as many patches as they can with out changing the ingame numbers, they will just add new items/features that will have some sort of impact on existing system.  :) so i guess gg bad dev's hahaha.  also another reason they had to make this change was people were sinking to much time/gold into 15-30 stacks being they were using hards and sharps.  so what happened is this was a mainstream way to get stacks, so what they wanted to do was make it so these main stream stackers had a fair, basically bringing the value down to their level instead of keeping it as is. (though of course non of this truly matters in a game sense, because we know when we lose 150% gold value of an item we have a close to 100% chance to get it. so like you could basically delete gold bars from your account to force rng in your favor, this has been one of my thoughts all along, the addition of cronstones back in the day was evidence to support this theory.  they try to disguise all these mechanics by layers and layers information and mechanics that make it very hard to pin point. i see you game makers cant fool me.

Edit 08/26/2018.

deleted a rant, this method is fine, but outdated, i made a rant, but i want ot update again, and say that get the base gear you want, then makes silver with that progression, to buy upgrades off market place. risking your time just isnt worth it with blowing up your accessories, i mean unless thats what you are into good luck, and hopefully you dont get as aggravated as i did yesterday.

this method was never perfect, i did lack some feedback and they changed the forums so all replies were halted.  I was having trouble around 6-9, this is easily fixed by using a +12 weapon to gain 3 failstacks on these points +6, +7, +8, revert to +13armor for +9 +10. (this is also a well needed addition to the method, being as we did not have a good way to really get are weapons up to those higher lvls, mainly because we were saving money using armor stones, being as the goal is fail-stack, we need to invest pay just a tiny bit more to decrease are chances of success, we cant be to stingy about saving money or it will just hurt our failstack progression. trying to keep this update short good luck. 08/26/2018

Guide starts here but is outdated.---------------------------------

This was formed so i didn't burn a 10-15 stack on say a +5-+6 piece of armor(also so i don't push a +13-to-+14 with 0-10 stacks etc and have it procc.  this to me is a waste of a perfectly good high stacker, though with "Outlaw degrade method" end of this page and beginning of 2nd page should help with keeping our gear at high stacks).  i Also only use Weapons past a certain point due to the fact that i always seem to proc +14/+15 when i get close to 20 fail stacks enhancing armor. this method also takes into account hitting multiples of 5's and 10's (or even not hitting multiples as shown i always stop at +34).  These are very strict guidelines, stray from them at your own risk, i do encourage innovation, and really would like to hear back from you guys once you get rolling with this method.

keep in mind the gear in videos is what i will be using for maewha and valk, so no waste in the end. 

Now lets set up some guide lines.

The first number is what the fail stack is currently on, so accessory start at +0, use correct item when this stack is displayed.  You can pretty much do what ever you want step 1 through 5 this is some what out dated, all my gear is 10/11+. I still all ways use the green accessory for first stack. Check */XB for Reblath Info.

I need to revise some of the tiers below, Kzarka video down below has more of a refined approach although i have not directly tried to translate those numbers yet, just waiting on a little more feed back.

  1. +0(Use Basic Green accesory).....
  2. +1-+2(use Basic Green armor lvl +5-+8)......
  3. +3-+4(Use basic Green armor lvl +6-+10) ive been using grunil......
  4. +5-+8(Use Basic Green armor lvl +9-+11)......
  5. new system +6,+7,+8 (use basic green weapon +12) [old system was, +6-+8-+10(basic green armor +12-+13) seemed to have some issues with succeeding to much, un able to sustain items around this point.] this section was in bold because it was to unstable, hopefully with weapon it should stabalize. sorry i did nto catch this sooner, i was too focused on armor stones, and saving weapon stones.
  6. +10-+14(+14 armor) "+13 is Quesitonable"
  7. +15-+24(Use Basic Green Weapon +13, no less).. i suggest you don't use +14 weapon, unless using Outlaw Strategy. you will need that +14 for +25-+34. its up to you though.
  8. +25-+33(use +14 weapon)....(note any freshly turned item will always be better*/XB)
  • procced +15 weapon going from 34-35 stacks, this is what created the stop at +34 rule, do not go for +35edit(just pushed another 25-34 stack with a fresh +14 weapon this was not the one in video, as you can see by screen shot after video i now have multiple 34 stacks) 

(should be able to use Reblath some one suggests +13armor= 0-10, and +14armor is 10-15.)

*/XB Note a freshly turned over item should in theory always work better, than one that you have received stacks from, second video shows me turning over krea horn bow +13-+14, (this is after using it to successfully get 50 stacks " not all on the same stack but still multiple stacks only using it to push from +15-to-+25" id say i just about got the maximum use out of +13), once you build enough fail-stacks on an item regardless of the stack size it will turn over, its more of a stack count on that specific item,  try and keep track of your new turned and older items might help you avoid turning over when you really don't want to. this is very important, I have since turned over quite a few of these items that i felt like i had milked for all there worth.  I will probably start keeping track of how many stacks i have built on what item during each tier,  to avoid turning over like in video, this is hard to judge as well and will take me quite a long time to really get more information on this.  The information that i convert to guide will still only be my experience unless some of you want to test it for yourself and help pitch in to this method, would be much appreciated.

 

Next is a work in progress....well not a work in progress because i have not started yet.  there are a few reply's below about blue items, refer to them for more info.

The expansion to greater stacks in the future for me will be testing Livertos(possible horse gear, suggested below) at +34 to (lets say +44/49stacks) this will be extremely expensive but might be the mechanic to increase your chances at TRI/TET. 

Its all rng in the end when you go to crunch those items, thank god for cron-stones now, to bad i didnt wait,  there is a pick down below i have a 38 stacks, that thing consumed 2weapon cores when i tried to PRI at +34,  then it proceeded to fail 3 attempts at a duo red coral all pre patch next attempt will be protected for sure. 

Would like to know how you all do, i will continue to update/organize/refine this as We keep building.

Copy Video up here easier to find, i still highly recommend reading some of the feed back, and the thought processes that have brought original post to a more refined method. The post down below where i originally posted this video has insight into how a failed horribly to prepare so sorry vid is so long.

 

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Most recent Addition. 7/3/2017

Hello Everyone. Figured i Have not updated the method above, but a video shows that i have refined it a bit, and kind of just go off the spur of the moment enhance, i could follow the guide-lines, but in the end its a game and i want to have fun and not bust my brain to much :) . Well maybe i will update the numbers above soon. The video explains a lot and allows those to see this method in action.  i do not have much experience with Duo TRI etc.  but i do my best with what i got.  just need to do it more to find out the patterns. oh and i almost forgot, this Durable option is so good i discovered it when i was enhancing making the video.  i am looking forward to enhancing greens instead of reblath well maybe just reblath until like +10 or +15, and use green past that point, my main issues with armor was i would always succeed sub 20 or on the 20th stack(why i was using weapons past +15), so maybe just maybe i can use +14 armor to go to 20/25 i don't know i will take notes next time i go to fail-stack.

i will think about narration in the future as well to explain a few new theories i have been working on. anyway here it is hope you guys like it. copied description of video underneath.

 

 

 

YouTube Video Description

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Sorry guys for no sound I suggest you put on some music. I Also apologize for not recording TRI which i ONE-TAPPED with a 48 stack the next day, i wasn't about to start the process over and i really wanted the upgrade. So here is how it went in this experience. Been trying to get hands on Kzarka for awhile been saving up memory frags since i started playing the game, sharps/hards from life skill farming, and just the general black-stones from everything i do, events, scrolls, rewards, mobs drops etc.

For a week i had pre-order on zarka, if i did not win the pre-oreder i would wait for the post and i would have to take pre-order down and then try and buy being i did not have enough money.  my goal was to farm enough cash so i could have a pre-order out and be able to bid at same time. i just got to 200m,  and was in process of getting gold in the right spots when Kzarka popped on Market place after not winning via pre-order, i canceled it, had the 95m+ in bank and guess what i won :) was super happy.  I took it from +0  all the way to DUO that night this took me about an hour or so with the materials i already had.  I considered this successful, so i went to bed. next day i decided that if the Kzarka Down graded, i could be in for a money sink, so i mayde the decision to use the 48 stack, which i have no regrets about. (again sorry i did not record it) wish quality was better its all i got though i ended up having to change from flv to wmv. i guess its not to bad once it buffers correctly.

Here are all the materials i used.

Kzarka Staff = 100m
Random Accessory Belt = 8M (probably less)
65 Weapon Stones = 19.5M
219 Armor Stones =  54.75M
144 Memory Fragments = 108M
8-10 Sharps =35M
+32  Stack
+48  Stack

all of which i already owned except for a few sharps.

 

newest edit 7/5/17 : keep in mind all those armor stones will be extracted from reblath when they hit +15. so i will be refunded some of the money i put in.  was thinking about setting up armor workshop, or weapon workshop, but i am fine using reblath for now, seems time/space efficient for me at the moment.

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newest edit 7/5/17 talk about using reblath real quick at the end below the materials i used for zakra. 7/3/17 just an update to show how ive been failstacking lately. Updated 6/27/2016, (Possible Fail Count for each Item and Tier).
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Don't fail stacks cap at 25?

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Don't fail stacks cap at 25?

From +14 to +15 Weapons yes, but for accessories or from +15 to +20 gear it goes higher.

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I had a  +56 failstack going from grunil chestpiece +14 to +15. How does that fit into the mathematical calculus ?

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I had a  +56 failstack going from grunil chestpiece +14 to +15. How does that fit into the mathematical calculus ?

Well if i had your luck sir, i would not have to formulate an equation. Any time i try and push armor past 20 it succeeds. this method that i am using is holding true. we will see how other people do and how legit this method really is. 

 

edit: also at this point you get 56 stacks i would probably just force, or start enhancing it on another char, save your  stacks for something that u can really apply the worth of the stack to.

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I had a 43 failstack to get my liverto from +12 to +13... and guest what... it diden t work. After 1 week and a lot of memory fragments, i finaly raised my weapon with ... 12 fail stacks ( i clicked the liverto weapon and not the weapon used for failstacks ) . so its just LUCK and that is it.

 

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I had a 43 failstack to get my liverto from +12 to +13... and guest what... it diden t work. After 1 week and a lot of memory fragments, i finaly raised my weapon with ... 12 fail stacks ( i clicked the liverto weapon and not the weapon used for failstacks ) . so its just LUCK and that is it.

 

The point is to not to succeed,  "building fail stacks", this method is suppose to increase your chances of not turning over an item.  if you had used my method to get to 34 stacks before you attempted +13 liverto maybe we could have saved you some cash, I'm not exactly sure how you went about +12-+13, did you start at +0 on the liverto every time, or did you start at higher fail stacks before each attempt.

also as you see i mentioned future use of a liverto to push my method past 34 fail-stacks, i just dont have the cash to try this yet.  

need more information from you to just chalk it up to luck.

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from experience , weapons have a far higher chance to fail than armor (both being green items)

both times when i tried to plus a green weapon from 13-14 i have had a total of 40-50 fails.

tried building fail stacks on heve and i made multiple +15 pieces going from 14-15 in under 10 fail stacks

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Well i did my Yuria from +13 to +15 in 6 stones with 0 failstacks to start at. RNG is RNG but i see your point of trying to make a system of "reliably" building failstacks. In the end you will probabely waste more money trying to build a stack to 34 to up your liv/kza then when you just pray and go from 20 or so. It's personal preference though if you are literally swimming in money then you dont even need to try and find the most cost effective way and if you are strapped for cash you dont have the money to build high failsatcks :) So you always have a problem if you are broke. And never when you are rich. RNJesus laughs in the end.

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The only thing i attempt on +0 is 2 green accesory smash, until i get +1, then i move to armor stones.

Just because your rich doesn't mean you have to be inefficient, i still have the items that i have built 25/34 fail stacks on ready to build more, so basically when this +13 item that i am using to push from  15-25 proccs 14, i just bump it up a tier in method and only use it from then on out from 25-34.  hence getting its full effect numerous times,  was able to push 2x25 going from 15-25 with the krea horn bow(down below you will see an update that i was ble to use it a 3rd time).

(the 15 blade you see is when i tried to push 34-35, after using it to go from 25-34, hence my method stopping at +34. "it was not blue at the time.")

I would view Reblath as the waste of money being i still have items to keep building, and will always have the items to build from.  with Reblath its one and done, Extract rinse repeat(i do encourage some one to try this mehtod with using reblath it could work really well for those first 15 stacks).  This method above is on going and will give you a continuously supply of high stacks given you follow the parameters . this is the theory anyway just because it works for me doesn't mean it will work for some one else.  And you do have to pay attention more to what you are stacking at the given +fail stack.

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well sorry guys i just did it flawless to +34, and i thought i was recording (hotkey for record didnt work while in game), i did proc the helmet of heve to +13 in under 10 stones. on each refresh i was reverting back to green accessory at +0, then since i didn't have any low items i was using some of the grunil to get to 5-6, then i ended up using the +13helmet to get to 10, then i switched to the +14gloves to get to 15, then i switched to the +13 krea bow pushed 15-25. , after that i went to krea longsword which is +14, push from 25-34 flawless.  (the 3rd 25 stack i've pushed with that krea horn bow, and 2nd 34 stack with this longsword.

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i got this.... its been there for like 3 days now

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This game mechanic is why when I new rvr or open world pvp game comes out I will be leaving BDO - after +15 I can't be bothered.

You have to be a real masochist to enjoy the process.

And that I am not.

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i got this shit .... its been there for like 3 days now

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I pray for those kinds of failstacks. Blessing in disguise. Please don't tell me you used 49 failstacks for a +15 taritas

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failed recent staking due to faulty method around 9-11stacks(not consistant enough), revised above, needs work. on the bright side i now have 2x +13 armors that i could basically guarantee the +10 stacks, then use +14 armor to10-15, and switch to weapon after that,  I know i'm flooding post with different sets of information, but it is needed for me to refine this method.

Watch me fail my own method. when i was at +10 i should have just switched to +14 armor, when i was at +9 thinking i should have switched to the 13 i had just made, this is why i have revised my method up top and am splitting one of the tiers. you can see me hesitate to.

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to force enchant horse gear to +10 is 39 stacks more than armour/weapons

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sounds pretty good maybe i could use that in a future liverto method. 

I do know one thing for sure, is that i am getting consistent stacks, i have pushed a stack of +15 into a stack of +25,  with a +13 krea horn bow 5 Multiple times, and it still has not turned over to +14,  that is 50 fail stacks that i have foraged out of this thing On this one level, i didn't keep track of how many stacks i got with it during its+8+12 stages, so I know i'm onto something it just needs to be refined more.

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What i use is by no means the cheapest way but its sorta reliable for me atleast and quite simple.

0-15 +13/+14 rebliath

15-25 +8/+9 ( in my case) GREEN horsegear

25+ depends on my gear since i usually like to use blue grade stuff like liverto/boss armor/fishing rod

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Alright far from perfect,  keeping track of all my attempts 2 posts above i mention 5th multiple 25 stack with +13 krea horn bow, that was my last attempt been keeping each attempt up to date.

In this attempt i was poorly prepare as you can see the video is longer than needed, but it also give you a little bit of insight on what i actually do, i'm curious what would have happened if i had prepared the krea horn bow for this attempt, i forgot to recover after the last stacking (we will never know :P) forgot what i was doing after those gloves turned over, then ran out of stones, hope it doesn't bother you guys to much.  Any ways here it is and hope yall like it. sorry bout the wasted time and quality of the video, sound seems to be a little off, and video is skippy at times, but its information not entertainment so its ok with me. I usually do not buy stones, i have been getting stones from grinding or using hunter seals, mudster dropped 5 weapon for me earlier in the day so :), but i was already recording needed them quick.

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Is there harder to enchance blue armor, than green armor? does the quality effects? 

 

Im not building failstacks with grunil, since that kinda expensive repair cost, so is there a difference between like Grunil and rebliath? Or even between like Armor or Shoes ?

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Is there harder to enchance blue armor, than green armor? does the quality effects? 

 

Im not building failstacks with grunil, since that kinda expensive repair cost, so is there a difference between like Grunil and rebliath? Or even between like Armor or Shoes ?

ya know i'm not really sure i have not noticed a difference between Grunil and Heve yet (when i get most of this gear to 15 i can test it out for you, will probably be awhile though  being im getting more fail stacks than i need, i will probably start stopping at 25, i as pushing 34 to show y'all how the system works.),  This should change soon, once i have adequate wealth to start crunching  in time i will try some Reblath Vs. Green armor. was hoping id get some feedback from other people that are already using reblath, like what they have found works and doesn't work with Reblath. Here is from above.

What i use is by no means the cheapest way but its sorta reliable for me atleast and quite simple.

0-15 +13/+14 rebliath

15-25 +8/+9 ( in my case) GREEN horsegear

25+ depends on my gear since i usually like to use blue grade stuff like liverto/boss armor/fishing rod

he uses +13 and 14 Reblath for 0-15, which i have pretty much dialed into using grunil/heve for the same thing,  so i am thinking Reblath will work just fine for these first 15 stacks.  just note i have not started extracting yet, you cannot put white armor on market anymore not that some one would buy say a +15reblath anyway.   What does one really do with the Reblath once you are done with it? To me that seems more expensive being that the stones to me are the most expensive item when it comes to fail stacking and you are putting them into something that will never get used by you or the community, i much rather put the stones into something that has weight behind it and then i can just sell on market for 20mil etc -35%.  hope this helps @zeback.  mabye we will get more feedback from people using reblath.

what does happen when one goes to extract black stones out of +15 reblath, do they get 15 stones or is it more?

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The point is to not to succeed,  "building fail stacks", this method is suppose to increase your chances of not turning over an item.

Your method is flawed and biased, if you want to increase the chances of building high fail stacks you should build them with +14 items only, since +14 items have the lowest chance of succeeding.

 

All methods you describe and use otherwise are imaginations of your mind to make you feel better about spending boatloads of silver on getting those failstacks up high for that one particular item.

This post is not to say that using lower level items is not worth it, say +10 to +14. I just want to indicate that all arguments you made so far are not based on anything but feelings and small sample sizes. Especially the last part is dangerous, since we know the standard deviations of the upgrade process are very large.

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ya know i'm not really sure i have not noticed a difference between Grunil and Heve yet (when i get most of this gear to 15 i can test it out for you, will probably be awhile though  being im getting more fail stacks than i need, i will probably start stopping at 25, i as pushing 34 to show y'all how the system works.),  This should change soon, once i have adequate wealth to start crunching  in time i will try some Reblath Vs. Green armor. was hoping id get some feedback from other people that are already using reblath, like what they have found works and doesn't work with Reblath. Here is from above.

he uses +13 and 14 Reblath for 0-15, which i have pretty much dialed into using grunil/heve for the same thing,  so i am thinking Reblath will work just fine for these first 15 stacks.  just note i have not started extracting yet, you cannot put white armor on market anymore not that some one would buy say a +15reblath anyway.   What does one really do with the Reblath once you are done with it? To me that seems more expensive being that the stones to me are the most expensive item when it comes to fail stacking and you are putting them into something that will never get used by you or the community, i much rather put the stones into something that has weight behind it and then i can just sell on market for 20mil etc -35%.  hope this helps @zeback.  mabye we will get more feedback from people using reblath.

what does happen when one goes to extract black stones out of +15 reblath, do they get 15 stones or is it more?

There is 2 ways to do this afaik ( i just extract the stones myself) when i extract from +15 reblath i average a little bit over 40 blackstones back), the other way to do this ( which i have NOT tested myself) is to have a negative karma alt and let him get killed untill rebliath downgrades to +14 then rince and repeat.

Since a few days i also now have a +7 maple float which i am hopefully going to be able to use around +8/+9 to try for failstacks between 25-35.

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thank you @FuzZz ,  40 seems decent enough, that is around 9Mill worth that you would get back, on my server anyway.  If it is an item some one would buy you are only seeing a 20 stone increase on what you get back vs extraction.   

I really like this low Karma ALT idea,  this way seems most efficient way to keep stacking, if it is easy enough to lose those stacks while outlaw, def will have to try it.   should be able to have some fun at the same time :P .  ill have to be very careful, if outlaw has a hard time accessing bank, maybe i can get a cart with the gear i want to down grade in it park in boonies, go for like-100 karma or something easy enough to gain back,  then just cycle gear down grade it then bring karma back up voila done. rinse repeat as needed.

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thank you @FuzZz ,  40 seems decent enough, that is around 9Mill worth that you would get back, on my server anyway.  If it is an item some one would buy you are only seeing a 20 stone increase on what you get back vs extraction.   

I really like this low Karma ALT idea,  this way seems most efficient way to keep stacking, if it is easy enough to lose those stacks while outlaw, def will have to try it.

I haven't looked into the specifics too much, but apparently there is a way to get the item back to your bank on your negative karma alt. Something along the line as 'i heared alti nova has no guards at night' ? Correct me if i am wrong please .

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