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Class Lawsuit against Daum

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you accepted their terms and conditions. and this variation isnt unreasonable unfair onerous etc. no case here. move on

A lawyer can find a case in anything. Just some extra info, bdo is lacking anyone can get a refund atm

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Honestly its Daum/PA's fault for the game having bad protection against hackers but its also people's fault for being lame and unfair for resorting to hacking. I dont think you should sue them for hackers...

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... however, there is something else, when we bought the game and when we looked up info about it and everything there was no info whatsoevr anywhere about the game that there are hidden factors and stats SUCH AS ACCOUNT/CHARACTER LUCK. And yes that is real, there are people in game that get items regardless of what they do on every 2nd/3rd boss and in general get more loot from mobs (ogres, trees, marks ,etc) This is real and i've talked to so many people and went to a great length to get as much information as i can 

fact is that there are people who can get 3 ogre rings within 10 hours of farm and there are people that can get 0 ogre rings in 250-300 hours of farm. Now is this possible if its "JUST RNG?"  Sure its possible.. once.. in reality it happens to way too many people and the people that get ogre rings like candy are also the ones who by some "CHANCE" happen to get mad loot from world bosses as well? None of this is within mathematics, the drop rates of some items is so insanely low that it is nearly impossible for things like this to consistently happen in real life, we're talking about something like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chances and only a fool would fall for that when its just much more likely that the system is rigged instead, just like a casino,.

If you're confused what im talking about and where these zeroes come from - there are people capable of getting multiple rare loots (that have way under 0.1% drop rate) while at the same time getting loot from field bosses all within hours/days while there are people incapable of getting any of these loots since the game was launched. Only the biggest retard or a mis-informed idiot would think thats RNG.

 

I think the fact that there are accounts that are incapable of getting rare loot in a game so heavily gear-based is a mockery towards human effort and human hours spent and if theres anything you can sue them for it should be this.. ofcourse this can't easily be proven and requires many sources and many hours spent in game - which i have - but in a court of law that won't matter  ,unless they can get the jury and the judge to play the game for many hours a day for months with enough information flow around them so they can see it themselves 

I think exactly the same as you. The people who play plenty og hours like me have witnessed how frequent are the so called "lucky guys". Guys who cannot even create failstacks. Mathematically, it should be something rare to witness, like the lottery but we all hardcore players know the system is completely rigged, and we know it for certain.

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OP should be deleted and perma banned from the game instantly.

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I know.  Let's all file a lawsuit against Microsoft.  You know, because people create Malware. They should totally be able to stop them before they are even created.  

Let's file a lawsuit against life. You know, 'cause it'll never be as you want it to be. Maybe you'll win the case( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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For example, when I purchase a service like this, they should be obliged to provide a fair environment, clean of cheats and hacks. Whats the logic behind it?

If you want to waste your money, you should probably spend that $3,000 on reading the Terms of Use. Made the important bit for you bold, you'd only have a very very very tiny chance of a case if Daum were actively doing nothing about hackers, and seeing as they are banning hackers; you have no case. You'd also have to take them to court in the EU first before pursuing them through the US system, also $3,000 is nowhere near enough for a class action lawsuit, let alone a normal lawsuit. 

16. LIABILITY

To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, the liability of Daum Games Europe is limited solely to the direct damage caused to the User by the fault of Daum Games Europe, excluding any indirect damages.

 

Direct damage is understood to mean exclusively:

a. damage demonstrably caused directly in relation to receiving proper performance, however this damage shall not be compensated if the Agreement is rescinded (“ontbonden”);

b. reasonable costs incurred to prevent or limit direct damages that could be expected from the event on which is the liability is based;

c. reasonable costs incurrent in determining the cause of the damage.

The limitations and exclusions of liability mentioned in the preceding paragraphs of this article will lapse if and in so far as the damage is the result of intentional or willful recklessness on the part of Daum Games Europe or its managers (“own actions”).

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Time to go out and get a job methinks OP - retail law perhaps, you seem to have an interest already - it's a start!

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Let's try the Zootopia method:

Are there cheaters in this game? Yes, yes there are.

Has there ever been a game that didn't have cheaters in it? No, no there has not.

Is Daum trying to stop and prevent cheaters? Yes, yes they are.

Is there a chance that a lawyer will take this case as you have laid it out? Yes, yes there is.

Is there a chance in hell that the case could be won in court? No no there is not.

TL:DR- every game has cheaters. Daum is trying, Some lawyer will take your money but you won't win.

TTL:DR: Send me the $3k and you will get the same result.

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As a result, Daum needs to really address the current issues. THE FREELANCERS THAT PROVIDE HACKS AND BOTS to BDO GAMERS ARE STILL FULLY OPERATIONAL AND LESS OF 10% OF THEIR COSTUMER BASE HAS BEEN BANNED. If this doesnt change we should start publishing publicly all the forums, discords, and places where the hacks can be obtained. Everything will full detailed guides for dummies. From my experience, this is the only way they will really address the issue.

Where is your evidence that Daum is not performing to the best of their abilities to combat hackers and botters?

Where is your evidence that less than 10% of their customer base has been banned?

Where is your evidence that those who have been banned make up an insignificant pool of the hacking community?

Why do you think Daum EU has any authority to go after 3rd party websites and resources?

And why do you think it's reasonable to threaten to make the problem as bad as possible because they aren't conforming to your expectations that are based on... what conjecture? Is this based on anything other than stuff you hear on the forums and other websites?

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Stupidest thread I've read so far lmao. Have fun wasting 3k and have a lawyer laugh at your face when you present this to them .  

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how stupid can ppl be?

Don't ask that.

They see it as a challenge.

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Where is your evidence that Daum is not performing to the best of their abilities to combat hackers and botters?
Where is your evidence that less than 10% of their customer base has been banned?

Where is your evidence that those who have been banned make up an insignificant pool of the hacking community?

Why do you think Daum EU has any authority to go after 3rd party websites and resources?

And why do you think it's reasonable to threaten to make the problem as bad as possible because they aren't conforming to your expectations that are based on... what conjecture? Is this based on anything other than stuff you hear on the forums and other websites?

Daum combating hackers and botters.

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/91821-ban-waves/

 

His argument against Daum is rekt right there. Goodbye OP.

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Daum combating hackers and botters.

http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/91821-ban-waves/

 

His argument against Daum is rekt right there. Goodbye OP.

I'm well aware lol, I was asking for evidence of his assertions.

The hacker hunting thread is also evidence they are working on it / taking it seriously but both of those things *could* (hypothetically) be misdirection... So if the OP has some other form of proof to demonstrate that then they might have a valid point.

I'm not holding my breath to see any such evidence.

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Okay then..

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