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pvp [PvP][POOL] Can we help Daum to class balance?


Which classes need a balance?   77 votes

  1. 1. Choose 1+ classes that in your opinion need a balance

    • Valkyrie
      11
    • Sorceress
      20
    • Giant
      10
    • Warrior
      18
    • Wizard
      18
  2. 2. Choose 1+ classes that in your opinion need a balance

    • Tamer
      26
    • Ranger
      34

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Posted (edited)

* I'll take this post always update, also after and during the release :P

 

First of all hi BDO Community!

In all MMO's class balance topic is always very delicate and complicate to face. Different players have different opinions, Fanboys wants always BUFF BUFF BUFF for them class, a single negative/positive experience can mark in a player the belief (often wrong) that one class is too op or too weak, when instead in reality differents come from Player skill and knowledge or a huge gear difference; Nobody forbids to make a try all togheter to write the positives and negatives aspect to each class and subsequently let DAUM balance all.

You must complete this empty scheme with your opinion and your ideas:

NB: Please if you don't have a complete and deep Knowledge based on personal experience on what you say avoid to Post!

[Class] 

Positive points:

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • ....

 Negative Points

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • ...

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I'll update this following scheme after each Feedback (When i'm online)for now i write only my opnion: 

NB: Consider that many points are related to the class, obviusly all classes have positive and negative aspects, i'll mark them with a #

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[Wizard] 

Positive points:

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • ....

 Negative Points

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • ...

 

*Hypoflex:  Wizards deals way too much damage compared to other classes

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[Warrior] 

Positive points:

  • Nice frontal shield system, if you have a perfect timing you can block the strongest other classes skills
  • Nice cc/grapple control
  • Although the one-hand sword, it has a nice damage (mostly down attack)
  • ....

 Negative Points

  • Rush and ranged CC can't always compensate its low mobility
  • 2
  • 3
  • ...

 

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[Tamer] 

Positive points:

  • Best class before an 50+ end game stats
  • Nice I-frame evade, a while timed WW can dodge all types of skills
  • Sometimes Heilang can save you
  • Nice in all PvE mechanics

 Negative Points

  • Too knock dependent, Knockdown resist delete most of Tamer powers
  • Knock Animation too slow
  • Too many useless skills
  • Koinzellpet instantly dies on 16+ upgrade
  • Squishy for its low defence and HP   #
  • No skills buff except for Heilang absorbiation
  • Completely Heilang dependent    #

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[Giant/Berseker] 

Positive points:

  • Nice grapple CC combos
  • Nice DPS
  • Nice amount of HP    #

 Negative Points

  • Low moblity   #
  • Melee class with no defensive skills    #

 

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[Valikria] 

Positive points:

  • Nice buff and soustain
  • Nice CC, single and AOE
  • Nice DPS also with one-hand sword

 Negative Points

  • Low mobility, but i'll wait for a better feedback

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[Ranger] 

Positive points:

  • Crazy DPS and burst damage
  • Nice mobility and movement speed    #
  • Nice GvG utility
  • Its passive forces HP for damage, so worth

 Negative Points

  • Too easy 1-shot players with Q animation cut, often you don't need a real Combo
  • Almost 0 CC    #
  • An overgeared Ranger can delete easily lot of targets
  • Squishy for low Defense    #

 

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[Sorceress] 

Positive points:

  • One of best CC and damage combos
  • Nice soustain with Bloody calamity
  • Op dodge, well timed teleport can neutralise all types of skills    #
  • Sorc has all type of skills: Knock (ranged, melee, aoe and single target), stun, damage, shield, evade, sosutain, buffs

 Negative Points

  • Hard to play    #
  • Squishy for its low defense and HP    #
Edited by Yuuki

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They'll never get proper info on a discussion open to everyone. I mean every random-bob who just found the game can vote give feedback that pulled out of his ass.

The best way to balance the classes/game is wait a while after the game goes live and invite only the top PvP guilds/players in a private discussion imho.

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They'll never get proper info on a discussion open to everyone. I mean every random-bob who just found the game can vote give feedback that pulled out of his ass.

The best way to balance the classes/game is wait a while after the game goes live and invite only the top PvP guilds/players in a private discussion imho.

I know, but make a try :P

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I think people will begin to complain themselves when one class is too strong, so I would just wait till release and then deal with it then. I think DAUM does a good job of listening to players and I expect the same after release. I think it's too soon to ask for re-balancing when the game isn't out yet in NA/EU.

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I think people will begin to complain themselves when one class is too strong, so I would just wait till release and then deal with it then. I think DAUM does a good job of listening to players and I expect the same after release. I think it's too soon to ask for re-balancing when the game isn't out yet in NA/EU.

Lot of players play since Korean CBT1, i play since CBT1 RU, we can do a try to make this game better from the start  or 1-2 patches!

This isn't a new game guys, it's only new servers!

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Lot of players play since Korean CBT1, i play since CBT1 RU, we can do a try to make this game better from the start  or 1-2 patches!

This isn't a new game guys, it's only new servers!

Each server is different and so are the players, I would let the community decide on what's fair and what's not when the time comes, but that's just what I think is the best method since I feel that more important things to do before release rather than focus on re-balancing the game.

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Nope, not gonna vote. These threads are bullshit until NA/EU goes live.

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nothing much to add to the tamer part, maybe that the pet instantly dies on 16+

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A large portion of people barely have a week of experience in BDO. I highly doubt that's enough to make a solid call on anything that needs "balance".

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.....Did you seriously create this topic when most of the people don't even know what lvl 50 is like?

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nothing much to add to the tamer part, maybe that the pet instantly dies on 16+

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Wizards deals way too much damage compared to other classes, specially like the sorcerer. a level 20 wizard can take a group of level 26 monsters without a problem where a sorcerer will have a super hard time

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Is this a class balance discussion for Ru/JP/KR version of the game?

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What is a Valkiria? :o

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What is a Valkiria? :o

Google says:

Valkiria.thumb.PNG.df5ba21dfcbcda9ea6958

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Didn't know Ranger had a perma death kill option...

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This is dumb. Tamers will be OP with a +15 gear cap. Then rangers do pretty well afterward. The classes are all pretty balanced. 

(I swear if I see that ranger 1 v 50 vid one more time... )

Skilled players > non Skilled players - period. If you complain about gear then you haven't put the time in to acquire it.

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Wizards deals way too much damage compared to other classes, specially like the sorcerer. a level 20 wizard can take a group of level 26 monsters without a problem where a sorcerer will have a super hard time

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This is dumb. Tamers will be OP with a +15 gear cap. Then rangers do pretty well afterward. The classes are all pretty balanced. 

(I swear if I see that ranger 1 v 50 vid one more time... )

Skilled players > non Skilled players - period. If you complain about gear then you haven't put the time in to acquire it.

eh, tamers aren't that op at +15, not with the many nerfs they got in the past, and with mostly having KD CC on slow cast animations

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I would just like longer fights across the board by making damaging less for all class's.

longer fight=more tactical

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I would just like longer fights across the board by making damaging less for all class's.

longer fight=more tactical

well, right now it's kind of inbetween instagib and actual fights, but it would take a lot of work to rebalance it all

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well, right now it's kind of inbetween instagib and actual fights, but it would take a lot of work to rebalance it all

i agree, the balancing would be hard as less damage would mean overly effective pots, unbreakable blocks, and likely other issues

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Is this a class balance discussion for Ru/JP/KR version of the game?

For all replies like this, this 3D can survive also after release, i'll take it always update, at the moment if you are a new player (noob :P) you can read and learn about all classes qualities!

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For all replies like this, this 3D can survive also after release, i'll take it always update, at the moment if you are a new player (noob :P) you can read and learn about all classes qualities!

Well idk about you but i always find experience vs theory a bit flawed in balancing without experiencing something.

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Well idk about you but i always find experience vs theory a bit flawed in balancing without experiencing something.

And so you can shut up and learn something about all classes :P

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