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Will grunil still be BIS when valencia comes?

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Just  a quick question

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yes.

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Boss armor is BiS, no?

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Wasn't aware grunil was BiS.

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Boss armor is endgame BiS. Grunil is BiS until then. The 120 WP really isn't worth it from Taritas. The 2 sockets is much more useful.

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Or rocaba until boss armour ....it gives w.p and evasion and has 2 slots each piece. The mount of dmg from w.p on gale and dragon is insane

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Or rocaba until boss armour ....it gives w.p and evasion and has 2 slots each piece. The mount of dmg from w.p on gale and dragon is insane

Actually the amount of damage gained from WP on any skill is really, not that much at all. 

And if Rocaba were even implemented yet, sure it could be considered a BiS choice until boss armor.. but it's not implemented yet

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The question whas in valencia not now. And 15% dmg incrase from wp on dragon bite is alot from my 560 wp

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The question whas in valencia not now. And 15% dmg incrase from wp on dragon bite is alot from my 560 wp

It's really not that much when I have 375 WP without Taritas. You gain 19 extra damage on me.. SOOO much damage.

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i have 570 w.p ...15% from my w.p is an increase of  85,5 dmg ...and yes it is a big increase ......and good luck tring to do your part in a gvg with that amount of w.p you will hit the potion cooldoun and die reali fast especiali now with the increase in dash speed

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i have 570 w.p ...15% from my w.p is an increase of  85,5 dmg ...and yes it is a big increase ......and good luck tring to do your part in a gvg with that amount of w.p you will hit the potion cooldoun and die reali fast especiali now with the increase in dash speed

That is before DP calculations. Also if you're having WP problems when above 300, then you really need to learn to micro manage your WP more.

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Just out of curiosity, trying to understand the reasoning’s behind the things everyones saying.

The three main combos to my understanding are 2xTari/2xGrun, 4xGrun and 2xRoc/2xGrun (Completely ignoring boss armour here).

The big things I see with them is the Tari mixed set gets more DP and WP (HP too?), full Grun gets 2 AP more, and the Roc mixed set gets some WP and extra sockets/slots.

Just wondering here, people keep saying “that extra WP isn’t doing much”, but, what is that extra AP doing or those extra sockets? Looking over stuff on damage scaling, 2 AP isn’t “massive” damage bonus either, probably not too far off that WP bonus really, and those sockets you’re gaining, not really seeing much useful stuff to put there other than more HP, some Resistances (I don’t know how useful this is in PvP but the fact we use Chase a lot and to my understanding only generally attack during our CCs I’d figure the mileage you’re gaining on the resistances is kinda small), there’s also Stamina bonuses too but w/e.

So, anyone care to fill me in here, just wondering if I’m missing something ^^?

Just to note, I’m only a basic lvl 50 Musa, so I don’t claim to know much, but I see lots of people saying contradicting things so I’d like to get some straight reasoning if at all possible.

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Just out of curiosity, trying to understand the reasoning’s behind the things everyones saying.

The three main combos to my understanding are 2xTari/2xGrun, 4xGrun and 2xRoc/2xGrun (Completely ignoring boss armour here).

The big things I see with them is the Tari mixed set gets more DP and WP (HP too?), full Grun gets 2 AP more, and the Roc mixed set gets some WP and extra sockets/slots.

Just wondering here, people keep saying “that extra WP isn’t doing much”, but, what is that extra AP doing or those extra sockets? Looking over stuff on damage scaling, 2 AP isn’t “massive” damage bonus either, probably not too far off that WP bonus really, and those sockets you’re gaining, not really seeing much useful stuff to put there other than more HP (Which the Tari mix gives you anyway), some Resistances (I don’t know how useful this is in PvP but the fact we use Chase a lot and to my understanding only generally attack during our CCs I’d figure the mileage you’re gaining on the resistances is kinda small), there’s also Stamina bonuses too but w/e.

So, anyone care to fill me in here, just wondering if I’m missing something ^^?

Just to note, I’m only a basic lvl 50 Musa, so I don’t claim to know much, but I see lots of people saying contradicting things so I’d like to get some straight reasoning if at all possible.

I used to run 2tari/2grun and now I'm 4grun. 2 ap more is not much but keep in mind that at some point getting more ap is hard, with full +15 getting 2 ap is like making your MoS pri. But even if you ignore extra 2 ap you still have more slots which means that you can put more hp and resistances (or movement speed if you hate resistances but trust me, they are useful as hell) into your gear. Extra wp from taritas isn't needed once you reach around 300wp and that is very easy with just health levels and if you feel like you need more wp you can always slot wp gems into your armor. The only clear adventage of taritas/grunil mix is higher dp, but dp doesnt scale well and you're not a tank class anyway.
My stats at lvl 56 are 2.6k hp (I dont have my health level maxed yet), 300wp, capped knockdown resistance, around 130ap (acc offhand) and 160dp (my grunil isn't ultimate yet, full ultimate gives extra 20dp).

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Just my two sense...after the update having more wp is the way to go.  In order to successfully perform more combos and attacks successfully, we use more wp than ever before.  The reduced cool downs on alot of our abilities means we eat through the wp faster.  So the extra bonus from the taritas set for me has been the way to to go. Even with pots, without a healthy wp pool you will never be able to keep up during node and siege wars.

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EDIT: Accidental post...

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Naw. Full grunil hands down. The sockets are a hundred times more valuables than that tiny bit of resource. Any top 10% player will tell you that. 

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I agree to disagree watch how fast your wp gets burned up.  No gem slot will compare for that.  Plus extra damage on wp scaling abilities.  Your wrong hands down

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boss gear is current BiS period . grunil is just significantly easier to get.

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Burhead is obviously right but this is besides that

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he asked for BiS , boss is BiS, outside of boss armor there are different variations that work for people in different situations, taritas can be useful for extra WP. heve for hp , grunil for hp/ap , hell some people even use agerian for constant attack speed being able to use gems for other things (like crit in gloves)

but the ''best'' set with the most options will inevitably be leaning towards grunil because of extra gem slots. just keep in mind grunil is by far the most expensive green armor set.

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I don't know if i should change my 2x Taritas / 2x Grunil for 2x Rocaba/ 2x Grunil or full Grunil.

Rocaba looks really good.

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Just my two sense...after the update having more wp is the way to go.  In order to successfully perform more combos and attacks successfully, we use more wp than ever before.  The reduced cool downs on alot of our abilities means we eat through the wp faster.  So the extra bonus from the taritas set for me has been the way to to go. Even with pots, without a healthy wp pool you will never be able to keep up during node and siege wars.

I have absolutely zero issues managing my WP pool with 375 WP. I'm able to move in, get all my combos off and have excess WP to get back out. Usually with my target being dead as I'm leaving. So.. what's your issue?

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Eh..i don't really go on forum much..but if it makes you guys feel better im wearing 3 x +15 ultimate agerian, armor, helm and boots .. and 1 kaia gloves ( yes kaia gloves for the 2 slot and 30 hp bonus )

+15 blue yuria blade

+15 white horn bow

2x +5 ap earring of sealed magical power

2x blue coral ring

duo bares neck

about 122 ap 174 dp

and im killing people whos lvl 55+ and higher with rising storm dragon bite combo ..

they  thought that i wear full grunil..but i just wear full agerian and put in some ap crystal slot after maxing atk speed.  maybe those people who wear grunil can do better dmg ? i am not sure, but one thing for sure is that im happy with my character, he doesn't feel weak at all, i manage to kill 1 guy out of 3 people that tries to pk me and i manage to escape..

 

the trick is to get get tons and tons and tons of concentration potions

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So what I can conclude from this is that 2Grunil/2 Taritas is as good as Full Grunil depending on your play stile. I think both options are good tbh. 

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The only reason to go 2tart/2grunil before having 30 food is because you lack skill at that class and have no WP management. 

4grunil or fall behind and die like the rest of the Bladers trying to make 2tart/2grunil a thing.

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