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What offhand are you 16+ing?

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Rosar > Krea

But do you even use evasion OH anymore? Cuz I'm just about to say ----- it and use my needle instead. 
Anyone still using accuracy? If so... worth? B)
 

ID: 13031Enhancement 
 
18
 
+18 Ultimate Krea Trinket
 
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Equipment
Total AP: 12 ~ 14 
DP: 30 
Weight: 4.50 LT

Enhancement Effect: Increased Evasion

+18 Ultimate Needle Trinket
 

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Equipment
Total AP: 34 ~ 36 
DP: 0 
Weight: 4.50 LT

Enhancement Effect: Increased AP

ID: 13009Enhancement 
 
18
 
+18 Ultimate Incense Trinket
 
iconEquipment
Total AP: 17 ~ 17 
DP: 0 
Weight: 4.00 LT

ID: 13037

tem Effect: Accuracy +7
- Enhancement Effect: Increased AccuracyEnhancement 

 
18
 
+18 Ultimate Rosar Trinket
 
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Equipment
Total AP: 12 ~ 15 
DP: 30 
Weight: 5.00 LT

Enhancement Effect: Evasion Increase 
- Extra Effect: Special Attack Damage Rank +1
 

 

+18 Ultimate Blade Trinket
 
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Equipment
Total AP: 11 ~ 11 
DP: 28 
Weight: 5.00 LT

Item Effect: Evasion +3 & Damage Reduction +1 & Max HP +100
- Enhancement Effect: Increased Evasion

 

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Needle, Incence and Krea. Gonna be hella expensive, but oh so worth it.

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Needle, Incence and Krea. Gonna be hella expensive, but oh so worth it.

Rosar > Krea, unless you have the set bonus from the Krea wep? In which case, the better question is why are you using the krea wep.

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I would like to know as well which offhand others are using. I was wondering, with the higher DP cap would that make the accuracy offhand even more crucial? I'm using a liverto weapon but no bheg gloves yet :(.

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Rosar is 13.5 Ap avg. while needle is 35, that is a 21.5 ap difference. If you have a liverto/kzarka and have your bheg gloves (you will sooner or later if you do your daily bundles from him) you should be doing fine with accuracy. Also needle scales even better with +19/+20.

If you still feel like you need a bit more you can go for red coral earrings, as they give extremely good stats for tamers.

Also you usually play with a serendia special on, if you do not yet, you should.

Then there is the fame buff for every region which gives you accuracy.

I used to play with acc offhand but noticed that needle did so much more for me, as I was probably just too high on accuracy already.

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rosar vs. krea is just 1 AP ? or is there different evasion scaling too ?

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Got PRI ultimate Krea atm, worth swapping out to needle? Even with bs crystals, the AP difference is huge at +18 apparently... that DP and evasion is kinda nice aswell though...

 

I'm torn. Help me decide.. :(

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I went needle for the AP

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I went needle for the AP

I'll probably get both to duo and try it out I suppose.

Mainly worried about the dp loss for valencia grinding really.

i kinda expected needle to scale poorly with like 2 ap per enhance.

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I'll probably get both to duo and try it out I suppose.

Mainly worried about the dp loss for valencia grinding really.

i kinda expected needle to scale poorly with like 2 ap per enhance.

Needle gives you 3 ap per enhance and from duo to tri 6. That is why I think needle outscales the others starting from pri. On +15 krea was prob. best.

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Mainly worried about the dp loss for valencia grinding really.

Just get your armor to at least duo and you'll be fine, if you want a dp offhand you'd run it for PVP anyway not PVE. 

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Just get your armor to at least duo and you'll be fine, if you want a dp offhand you'd run it for PVP anyway not PVE. 

i suppose, the krea has been amazing for me in pvp. I'll miss it :(

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Rosar > Krea, unless you have the set bonus from the Krea wep? In which case, the better question is why are you using the krea wep.

So where exactly is the difference between Rosar and Krea besides the 1 AP increase?

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So where exactly is the difference between Rosar and Krea besides the 1 AP increase?

just the AP. Min/max, yo

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The Rosar probably best or krea, in preparation for awakening skyrod, assuming you have the gems for offhand.

But until you reach the tri wall, I think it's fairly trivial in the greater scheme of things.

duo cost a few mill, but that's nothing compare to rng the tri downgrade, luck or not. With so much bad luck on failstacks (I beleive they did muck around with the forumla) I'm running out of things to failstack on.

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Rosar seems good, but with Bheg's gloves and Muskan's shoes, isn't the needle trinket the best option? I guess you could argue that if you're fighting someone with Bheg's gloves while you're wearing Muskan's shoes, the evasion from the shoes will be nullified, so the additional evasion from your offhand will be useful..?

I guess it really depends on your play-style. Is a really aggressive tamer better/more fun than an evasive, somewhat aggressive, but mostly annoying play-style?

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Rosar > Krea, unless you have the set bonus from the Krea wep? In which case, the better question is why are you using the krea wep.

You are absolutely correct. I'll be tossing the Krea-idea aside for now. Incense will take priority since I'm currently only 57 and thus having slight issues with hitting mobs without it.
Needle for level 58 and beyond.

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Ive kzarka and bhegs so i go for needle, no need for acc or anything else just ap.

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awaken weapon works off the main/offhand

That's why the rosar/krea continues to have a purpose, where the needle is a lousy but effective pve offhand.

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awaken weapon works off the main/offhand

That's why the rosar/krea continues to have a purpose, where the needle is a lousy but effective pve offhand.

Awakened weapon replaces mh not oh, so your stats on oh are all still relevant.

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Needle as Main PvE Hand, Rosar/Krea as Main PvP Hand (Big Scale)

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So rosar has +1 ap  and +1 special attack dmg on krea. They both have 2 sockets making it better than needle for PvP imo. Rosar basically has +100 hp +30 DP -~17 ap +1 special attack dmg with 2xBS when compared to needle. Unless the hidden scaling is proven to be different I think I'll be leveling a rosar OH soon but keep my needle for general use. BS crystals are upgradeable soon? even more reason to level rosar.

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Needle for PvE

Krea for PvP 

Set up will probably still change and I'll most likely go Krea for PvP even with the Dragon offhand. 

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I'm more interested in: why would any of us give up so much Acc. at this stage of the game? The Rosa is nice but I'm not seeing the big picture here other than its duel sockets.

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So rosar has +1 ap  and +1 special attack dmg on krea. They both have 2 sockets making it better than needle for PvP imo. Rosar basically has +100 hp +30 DP -~17 ap +1 special attack dmg with 2xBS when compared to needle. Unless the hidden scaling is proven to be different I think I'll be leveling a rosar OH soon but keep my needle for general use. BS crystals are upgradeable soon? even more reason to level rosar.

all ultimate off-hands have +1 special attack dmg

blue ones have +1 back/down depends on what kind of blue it is..

greens have none

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