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Steel or Bronze Dagger once you hit TRI Liverto bow?

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With a tri weapon and duo/tri offhand steel dagger is so much stronger, you hit a bit less, but the extra damage you do far exceeds the accuracy imo, especially since you should be 57-58 this patch if you're actually wanting to pvp or do valencia mobs efficiently.

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Bronze+grunil is only a 10ap difference with steel. Nouver is the one you want to go with bhegs.

Edited by Waifu_Hunter

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Bronze+grunil is only a 10ap difference with steel. Nouver is the one you want to go with bhegs.

You never count grunil ap into any equation for damage.

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For those who have been reproducing steel>bronze in PVE, I have been in doubt based on anecdotal evidence.
As a ranger lv 56 dealing with grey/green mobs such as Manes or Helms that I do normally for dailies, I wouldn't say bronze has noticeable difference in draining their hp out compared to steel.
Not sure why, probably we must have some "basic" accuracy threshold needing to meet?
OR >50lv mobs are having way more DP than like >40lv mobs. 
In this case, even if we are higher in level (that we have more accuracy granted based on levels), we are still lacking a lot of accuracy (swapping from bronze to steel).

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Interesting part here is nobody is talking about their accessories; I would think Steel vs. Bronze would also highly be based on Accessories (Acc vs. AP) prior to Bheg's...

I run all Accuracy accessories with the Ancient Necklack and belt (for acc) and switching to Steel (from Bronze) I farm quicker. So there seems to be some sort of "cap" or "sweet spot" with accuracy. Not sure what that number is...

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Interesting part here is nobody is talking about their accessories; I would think Steel vs. Bronze would also highly be based on Accessories (Acc vs. AP) prior to Bheg's...

I run all Accuracy accessories with the Ancient Necklack and belt (for acc) and switching to Steel (from Bronze) I farm quicker. So there seems to be some sort of "cap" or "sweet spot" with accuracy. Not sure what that number is...

I have heard even with bhegs bronze dagger has merits. Just not really in pve. I'll be able to find out for myself once I get some bhegs up to tri because I already use tri bronze.

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Interesting part here is nobody is talking about their accessories; I would think Steel vs. Bronze would also highly be based on Accessories (Acc vs. AP) prior to Bheg's...

I run all Accuracy accessories with the Ancient Necklack and belt (for acc) and switching to Steel (from Bronze) I farm quicker. So there seems to be some sort of "cap" or "sweet spot" with accuracy. Not sure what that number is...

The effectiveness of accuracy depends on how much dmg reduction and evasion (both hiddens stats for the most part) your target has. Many players agree that you "cant go wrong" with AP. At the same time, people note that it is useful for them against bosses or PvP. It completely depends on your target.

Regardless of if you have TRI Liverto, I think people should carry around both daggers. If you can't afford that, I'd say you "cant go wrong" with AP (Steel). 

 

I also agree with you that there IS a "sweetspot" with accuracy. Small theory I have is that accuracy loses effectiveness once it surpasses the opponent's evade. General consensus is that once you have Liverto and Bhegs, you don't really have to worry about Acc (since it probably reaches that "sweetspot")

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With a tri weapon and duo/tri offhand steel dagger is so much stronger, you hit a bit less, but the extra damage you do far exceeds the accuracy imo, especially since you should be 57-58 this patch if you're actually wanting to pvp or do valencia mobs efficiently.

For the valencia mobs part, I am actually planning to do some serious grinding but not right now, it will be months from now as I will be having a long holiday since then. As far as I know, valencia mobs are mostly red or even purple to me (56 right now). And I don't think I will be having a Bheg's gloves or even an enchanted one in these days. So the best shot will be keep progressing my bronze? It is right now +15 ultimate. Your advice?

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For the valencia mobs part, I am actually planning to do some serious grinding but not right now, it will be months from now as I will be having a long holiday since then. As far as I know, valencia mobs are mostly red or even purple to me (56 right now). And I don't think I will be having a Bheg's gloves or even an enchanted one in these days. So the best shot will be keep progressing my bronze? It is right now +15 ultimate. Your advice?

I'm pretty much a giant steel dagger humper, i'd suggest running a steel and popping http://bddatabase.net/us/item/701/ (Party version) since they're super cheap to make.

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For the valencia mobs part, I am actually planning to do some serious grinding but not right now, it will be months from now as I will be having a long holiday since then. As far as I know, valencia mobs are mostly red or even purple to me (56 right now). And I don't think I will be having a Bheg's gloves or even an enchanted one in these days. So the best shot will be keep progressing my bronze? It is right now +15 ultimate. Your advice?

You don't need bronze for Valencia. Been grinding Crescent and Naga at lvl 57 just fine without it or Bheg.  Only been using the event medal which gives nominal accuracy and it could be replaced by elixirs when they are gone.  Even tested it vs the Crescent Guardians last night, took the same number of shotguns to kill it.

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You don't need bronze for Valencia. Been grinding Crescent and Naga at lvl 57 just fine without it or Bheg.  Only been using the event medal which gives nominal accuracy and it could be replaced by elixirs when they are gone.  Even tested it vs the Crescent Guardians last night, took the same number of shotguns to kill it.

steel dagger scales much better after 15 than bronze imo. Steel is definitely worth using over bronze, as you said at 57 accuracy in pve seems fine 

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